Navigating the Business Side of Acting (Don't Sell Your Soul!) | Ep 49

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Two unemployed actors. Two unemployed actors. They're just between projects.

MAX 0:12

Welcome back to Two Unemployed Actors. I'm Max. I'm Sam. And great show for you today. Of course. When isn't it? It's always. I can give you a rundown on my wonderful TV C a whole half a day filming three three different things. I saw the insurance one, yeah. Yes, yeah, the uh life insurance. Very exciting topic. Um difficult to make it sound interesting, as you say the line over and over and over.

SAM 0:39

Acting.

MAX 0:40

Acting. Such is life. Um what have you been up to? Oh not much.

SAM 0:46

No, I've been there.

MAX 0:48

Sleeping in.

SAM 0:49

No, life's life's pretty good, actually. I uh so obviously, you know, I have an almost full-time job, so I'm working a lot now.

MAX 0:55

Your survival job, yep.

SAM 0:56

Exactly, and uh earning some money, so I feel comfortable. Um, and I've been improving with grant and I've been learning more monologues and I'm feeling more relaxed and calm.

MAX 1:06

Because I think that's a challenge sometimes when survival job kicks in to be able to maintain that work fitness when it comes to acting. Yeah. But if you've got Grant kicking your ass all the time, brilliant.

SAM 1:16

And actual fitness. So I do push-ups at work when it's quiet. That's brilliant. That's good. I did 130 today. Were they real ones though? Yeah. Proper? What it was straight?

MAX 1:26

Of course they were. On your knees. Who do you take me for?

SAM 1:29

Um also good news. Yes, good. Exciting news. We can do that. Finally, not today short film is being like kind of up like not uploaded, but like kind of released. Well, he's saving it as a print before file and it's taking two days to save or something.

MAX 1:48

My God. Yeah. That's uh two to three days.

SAM 1:52

Um so the cinematographer's doing it because he edited he edits as well. Right. Uh his name's Sam as well. And he so he's doing it in his room on his computer and everything, and he's putting it on a hard drive and all that stuff. That is amazing software. Yeah, but it's because it's such a big 4K file, the it's like the whole time. And he has the ear like uh earplugs in at night when he's sleeping. Yeah. Because it's gonna take three days. Oh, but it's so exciting. That's hilarious. So exciting. Hopefully the trailer is coming out soon as well, he said. Awesome. So everyone look forward. I'm gonna start promoting that even more as it kicks off as well. Totally.

MAX 2:30

It's about bloody time, just quietly.

SAM 2:32

But yeah, that's about that's about it, really. I've I mean, I'm happy, it's good. Happy is good in this corona world, like I'm you know, it's not.

MAX 2:41

Fred, let him let him speak. He's trying to get in between you and the microphone, which can be rather interesting.

SAM 2:45

Yeah.

MAX 2:46

Freddy's not talking to you, he's talking to he's talking to everyone. Okay, well that's good. That's good. So everything's sort of gelling into place, you're forming a sort of a routine between survival and acting.

SAM 2:55

And it's it's good, and I'm I'm trying, I'm gonna try uh uh producing more music and stuff. I'm gonna cook up some stuff and do it because we've got a mic and everything. So yeah, yeah.

MAX 3:05

And you've got your YouTube channel with Jess. Yes, we've been a bit lazy on that one. It's hard, isn't it? You've got to maintain concept. Especially now with a with a job and stuff.

SAM 3:14

But um yeah, no, it's been good and I've been practicing monologues and I can feel my chest resonance coming in more now and feeling more relaxed.

MAX 3:23

It is good when it all comes together.

SAM 3:24

Yeah, yeah. I'm just feeling quite content at the moment. I think that's a good word to content.

MAX 3:28

Wow. Don't get too comfortable. Kick you out of the comfort zone.

SAM 3:31

I know, I know. I'm not no not like not like comfortable because I know I have to keep working, but like I'm feeling content.

MAX 3:36

Yeah, and at least at least working with an acting coach, you know you're not gonna get in that comfort zone. You're gonna be kicked out of it pretty quickly. Oh, yeah.

SAM 3:42

And I think he's he's I'm so glad I'm with him and not doing like a ten billion dollar course for one day.

MAX 3:49

Seriously, yeah, there's so many course, even in COVID times, there's so many opportunities to part with your money as an actor in Sydney, and I'm sure it's anywhere else in the world, you know, where there's a more than a couple of actors because it's just it's yeah. It's yeah at the moment, it's making money out of actors, uh you know what I mean?

SAM 4:09

Because there's not a lot of work with the COVID times, but there's been heaps more on Star Now Now, uh Star Now Now, a lot more auditions. I've been asked to the producer who was the producer on that uh short film that I auditioned for, and I said the director was really weird and she didn't really know how to direct actors. Remember I talked about that producer who's not associated with her is asked me to do another project with her, so that's cool. Yeah, just things lining up and picking up and that's good.

MAX 4:36

Yeah, I know um a lot of television commercial stuff's happening as the world sort of gets somewhat back to normal, as much closer to as close to normal as it possibly can in Australia, uh, with a couple of flare-ups in some states. Um lots of uh lots of television commercial stuff coming through, lots of briefs going to casting directors, everyone's trying to catch up on all that work glass.

SPEAKER_01 4:56

Exactly.

MAX 4:56

Um definitely certainly is a recession in Australia, that's for sure. It's just kind of how bad is it gonna be. Yeah, and common in advertising circles, you know, those companies that continue to advertise throughout a downturn um absolutely come out of it a lot better, a lot faster.

SAM 5:12

So tell us about your insurance one.

MAX 5:14

Yeah, yeah, I will, I will. Because the the thing with the television commercials is they're so quick to turn around. Yeah. And with so many briefs going out, they're like I've had two auditions in the last three weeks. Um and that's not including, yes, that's not including the television commercial I finished with uh 136, which is a production company I've worked with before, I think, yes, on something. And uh they did the casting themselves as a production company. I can remember we talked about that. Um, but this time went through an agent. Oh yeah. Actually, the last time it was direct, uh got them through the online platform. So um look, it was a good day. I mean, it's just so fast. It's like I was saying we were interviewing Jack and Jacob last week. It's like it was it's so quick, it's like a short film on steroids because you've got full crew, you've got another room where the you know the client sits in, whether it's at agency, probably the marketing manager for the brand, and you're mic'd up, and that's a hot mic the whole time. So whatever you say is going straight into that room and resonating around their head, so make sure it's positive. And don't be that guy to tell. Is there a story to tell? And and and uh yeah, so I've got the director who had the telephone call to get uh on speaker to get feedback live from the room in Verticommas where the monitor was, because they're in a separate room to watch the monitor with the client and everything, watching the monitor feed and listening to the sound. Yeah, so they can help provide some feedback via the phone connection to the director who's there, and you can literally hear them going, um, oh, he's shouting the line about Shell, like make sure he's like he's animated, but he's not shouting at her, he's just you know, it's important to him. And like, okay, yeah, got it, got it. And then by the time you know the director says something to me, it's like, yeah, okay, we're ready to go. And um, it's just it can be unnerving at first when you've got all these different voices talking about what you've just done, yeah, and how you translate those notes into a constructive way to give them what they want because sometimes they're telling you direction, and it's not if you take it literally, it's not gonna help you, yeah. But you can tell what they want from what they've said, and you can then adjust in a different way to be able to give them what they want. And sometimes they don't know until they see it. So there were a few things I threw in there that kind of worked. Bear in mind the whole time this is happening, I'm supposed to be fixing this bike, and I've got no idea what I'm doing. Like I take my bikes to the shop, I got no, I got no idea. So I'm there with this Alan key, and I'm trying I said to them, I said, mate, you want to piercing the tire or something. You will want to get this bike service when I finish with it, because I don't think we got any front brakes because I'm just living with the property this whole time. Oh no. So I basically spent the whole two hours undoing it, and another two hours doing it back up again. So I don't know. I don't know.

SAM 8:02

I do I I do remember my first audition and first role in screen was a Foxytail commercial, and I the directors were there in the room, but they were kind of behind a screen. Right. Um, and I remember like I had to hold an iPad and they had a shot over my shoulder. Yeah. And they're like, can you just move your right thumb slightly? Yeah, yeah.

MAX 8:19

Yeah, yeah, like it was it's and it feels really weird for you, perfect, but but uh on camera it looks like yeah, the kids watching an iPad. It's great. Exactly.

SAM 8:27

And it was a good I wasn't watching anything actually.

MAX 8:29

And we were on location, so to add another element into it, um you're dealing with weather, chasing the light, all that sort of stuff. Uh yeah, it's fine. I mean I left before lunch, but it's it was all set. Um but uh yeah, chasing the light and that sort of thing, like for continuity. So it's kind of like we've got to do another three different shots, yeah, and we're running out of time, so just don't, you know, don't muck up because we're literally everyone's like braced ready to run as soon as each setup's finished.

SAM 8:58

Yeah, exactly.

MAX 8:59

Um so yeah, look, it was really good. So good crew, fast crew. Um, I was working with Tamarind, who is great as my wife. Uh I had a kid who's now of driving age, which is uh very difficult to get used to. How is he? Jesus Christ. Great. I mean, it's extra work for the two guys because his mate the the premise was his mate drives up, my son walks out, hey dad, you know, wave, um, and then in the car off they go, and I'm like, wow, you know, hate to be Nick and his family, how bad, you know, blah, blah, blah. Not that that there's not the line. Right. Yeah, yeah. You know, how old was he actually? Imagine imagine what Nick is going through since his father's diagnosis. What if that was us, Shell? I feel like we should think about life insurance. That's kind of the gist of it, right?

SAM 9:43

Are you allowed to say this?

MAX 9:44

Yeah. It'll be it's probably on air now. Um they generally have a quick turnaround.

SAM 9:48

Like a week ago.

MAX 9:49

Yeah, no fast turnaround. I want to see it. Because generally the production is is like it's close.

SAM 9:55

So it was a speaking role.

MAX 9:56

Uh yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was yeah, I've I've well, it's different. Okay, so the thing with television commercials, you can't get a word wrong. Okay, this has gone through committee after committee and every word is there for a reason. The 90-second version obviously has a few more words. The 60 second version has the most amount of words that are all changed around a bit. So it's similar, but not the same. Yeah. And then the 32nd, like you can just look, you can just look at and go, okay, I've got that line. Yeah. No worries. Yeah. So the the challenge once you've memorized the 90 is to to be able to push a 60 out. Because you've got to work on your timing, because it's timed to the second each frame. Yeah. And then it's got to, it's got to work uh it's just it's a mind fuck because like just thinking about it now, my whole mind has just gone back to the moment and I'm getting shakes, I need a drink. But uh no, because because basically, once the the the the time's gone, you've got to be able to deliver your line, she's gonna deliver her line, it's all gonna fit in, and they'll give you direction, like, oh well, um it sounded really fast, you've got to slow it down, but we're a second over time. Right, okay. So let me let me just take that. Um, because and because the words were the same words you've used in the 90 second, but in different way because it's shortened.

SPEAKER_01 11:18

Yeah, right.

MAX 11:19

You've got to get it spot on, but then you want to say what you've memorized for the 90 and all that sort of stuff. It's all a bit in my head. You know, my small little brain was struggling.

SAM 11:27

How old was your son, the actor, actually? Like, how old was he? He was playing like 16-year-old.

MAX 11:31

17, I think. Oh no, he's driving, so yeah. It was a bit uncomfortable because normally I think the oldest on-screen child I've had was an 18-year-old who was playing like a 13-year-old or something.

SAM 11:43

Yeah, right.

MAX 11:44

Which which I eighteen year old playing a 13-year-old. Yeah, which I well they needed they needed to be able to Oh, that's so funny. Well, it happens a lot because they they had two days to shoot and they needed to use her quite a lot. Yeah. And they can't have a child because they have uh the And yeah, so with the age restrictions, work restrictions around age, w if she was younger than 18, you'd only be able to use them for four hours at a time. Really? Looked young. Yeah, yeah. And I think on camera it looked like sometimes you watch film or TV. And short.

SAM 12:16

So it's like Yeah. Sometimes you watch film and TV and obviously they've cast like 25 year olds playing high school kids. Yeah. 17 year olds. And sometimes you're like you you gotta like uh suspend your disbelief, don't you? Because like sometimes it just does not like.

MAX 12:31

No, well I I'm I'm coming to terms with having kids at all, really. Just uh Yeah. Little ones that can drive. Oh my god. Um but anyway, no, it's cool because uh well it was a couple years ago I was having eight-year-olds. Um bit better.

SAM 12:47

Now it's jumped to double.

MAX 12:49

Just in two years, it's jumped by ten years. Oh my god. Oh my god, they'll be older than me in another two years.

SAM 12:57

Your kids will be older than you on screen. That's so stupid.

MAX 13:01

Oh my god. I had another audition for a television commercial. Um, I'm not gonna say last time I said I don't think I got it, and I got it. That was the one, the life insurance. So I don't think I've got it. For a television manufacturer. Wow, yeah. Uh walk in the room and look amazed. So no lines, just walk in the room, you're gonna look amazed.

SAM 13:22

Show me your amazed face.

MAX 13:23

So you're walking in with your child, small child, okay, all right, she's about five. Okay. And we're walking in and you're crouching down, wow, wow, look, oh, wow. And then then the then because you're in you're in an empty room, right? And behind the camera, and oh, you're self-saving. Is it self-saving? No, no, I'm in the room. You're going in the room. And and she's like, okay, now look over here. Now look over, okay, don't smile. Now look, and now you're looking over here and you're following the hand, you're going, oh, look at that.

unknown 13:50

You know, wow.

MAX 13:51

Oh, wow, you know, and you're looking fantastic without looking too crazy. Um and then, okay, thank you very much. And then she kind of we had a bit of a joke because we're talking about marketers and advertising and stuff, because um, because obviously I used to be on the other side in corporate world, and uh, you know, all these brands are all about you know how important they are for their brand messages and their brand strategies, and then they're just half price at the end of the island suit market anyway. And uh she said she said, look, you know, it's probably gonna come down to just what the whatever the look is, and I said, Yeah, no worries, as a as to how amazing my amazing. Yeah, look, it's gonna come down to what you look because you know what it's like, they'll recommend half a dozen, and the client will be there with the agency, and they'll be like, Yeah, no, don't like that one. So, did I like that one? This was in the room, yes, because that's uncommon at the moment. Uh it's getting more common.

SAM 14:40

Um is this for your agent as well.

MAX 14:43

Yes, uh, it's getting more common. Uh but I have to say, really top-notch. Like, you didn't feel unsafe at all. You you had all the notes beforehand. Any forms you had to fill out, like wardrobe, for example, uh, is automated. So you don't it's just through an app on your phone. Yeah, yeah. So you scan a QR code or you press OK on the on the email, you fill out the paperwork done. It's actually easier than turning up and trying to do all that stuff with my left-handed writing anyway.

SAM 15:09

Yeah, I mean they shouldn't have it virtually now, shouldn't they?

MAX 15:11

So to talk you through the COVID uh casting, turn up after submitting the form, scan a QR code at the entrance, look at the note that says please only come up when your time is, so that you're not not too many people in the room. Um no, Rose walked up, uh, there was someone to greet, take a headshot, um, take some details down. He was wearing a mask and we were apart and took my temperature. Then once I was cleared, move into the waiting room where you've got literally like chairs on the four corners of the room, sort of thing. Like no one's close to anyone. And there was only one other person. No, there were two people waiting when I got there, and one went straight in. And the good thing is everyone's running into time all of a sudden. Before you'd be waiting for like 40 minutes for your five minutes channel, we're running late, we're running late. Now they're so punctual because they have to be. Yeah. So and then bang, I'm in and then I'm out again. So I mean it's all you know, it's five minutes in the room, it's TV C casting. But it's great that we've adapted so quickly because we have to to you know, there's only so many animated ads you can have now. We've got to stop drawing and have real people on camera again. Um, so that's good. And voiceovers busy. Voiceovers have been consistent. I have to say, the bills are being paid all year thanks to voiceovers, because it's um I really feel for actors like at the moment, although work is starting to pick up and we're better than most countries, let's be honest. Um, it's still not where nowhere near normal. Having said that, uh, this week is the start of actual production on set for that $150 million Lane Moriarty Flick the Nicole Kidman Nicole Kidmans producing for Blossom Pictures, her production company, started filming in Byron Bay this week. They confirmed Sunday was the confirmation of the main cast.

SAM 16:58

I saw that huge that is oh there's the budget. Yeah, that's it. They or they're actually filming without cameras.

MAX 17:06

On iPhones. I'm I'm kind of I'm kind of hoping that over the eight episodes they're still casting, you know, supporting cast, and and that, you know, I'd love to go out to Byron for a walk-on part, but uh I know there's also a lot of stuff, a lot of stuff, a lot of people being cast locally for featured extra stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because to transport people up there and that's all stuff like in the old days, great, but now with COVID, it's difficult. The old days, like like December. Um it feels like so long ago, it's crazy, right? And uh I said no to a job. I I turned a job down. Uh do you remember I did that corporate job where I was chief cleaner and had to do that presentation to camera? I think so. Um, and it was just basically me reading an auto cue, blah, blah, blah. And then doing lots of B-roll of me walking around with this machine to clean, which is kind of like a gun off Star Wars. That was pretty cool. Yeah. My imagination, you know. Pew pew. Of course. Um, but no, I was professional most of the time. Sure, yeah. And then and then from that, uh the production company I hadn't worked with before, uh, Mark, Mark Paisley was great, switched on, he's done a million times, and uh he gave me a call and he said, Oh, look, you know, the they'd like an intro because he knew he knows to do voiceovers. Yeah, no dramas, so I gave him a quote, we did it, send it away, brilliant. Gives me a call, this way it says, uh, oh look, you know, the owner's gonna get a few people together and do some photo shoots for some stills to use in advertising and also to build up the website. Um, and they want you to be the manager again and just be there, you know, featured in the shot, directing a few staff around or whatever, and walking around just looking like you're cleaning and you know what you're doing. And uh fine. Um what I did was I said, here's my quote, and not just for the time of the day, obviously it's probably a half day for that, uh, but also to have those shots on the website for 12 months. And what happens after that 12 months just rolls over. So there'll be another X amount for another 12 month period.

SPEAKER_01 19:03

Yeah.

MAX 19:03

Because and he certainly appreciated it because it happens all the time, it's professional. You know, what I have to put a time limit on because if I'm being approached for some other cleaning product or cleaning thing or whatever, I've got to declare that I'm on this website as the face of X, you know what I mean? Yeah, and I've got to put a time limit on it.

SAM 19:24

But so how did you know?

MAX 19:25

Because otherwise it's in perpetuity experience. You just knew that. I see he was fine with it, absolutely fine with it. Put it to the client, the client came back and said no, because I don't want to keep paying that rollover fee. Because I've done it with a business before where it was a financial business, and because I I can't do that or I mean it's uh it's on a website, it's probably not huge, but you do say look I'm there, you know. Um, because you can't do other financial websites and stuff like it, it's a bit tricky. And so, and that was fine. I rolled over a couple of years, was I think it was on the site for three years, then off. So great, no worries, no harm, no foul. Um, but so I think it's important uh not to get pressured because I could have easily just said here's the quote, and okay, well that's fine, then they can use those photos in perpetuity, so they can use it forever, yeah. Um, otherwise, so the first concern is they've got your picks and they they use that, that's their asset, and that belongs to them, and they can use it forever and a day. Yeah, and you have to get permission to use it. And and the other concern is well, you want to keep getting paid for the for what you're doing. You're still selling their products on their site for them for each of the years you're not getting paid.

SAM 20:30

Yeah, yeah. So there's a couple of big things. I don't think people understand that.

MAX 20:33

No, and I think it's important to know because especially as up and coming, you can sell your soul for an ice cream as an actor, you know what I mean, and a and a and a and a and a and a soft drink and uh yeah and lunch, let's be honest, you know, and and and years down the track, um, they can absolutely use you again that what they've already what they've already got um again for for their advertising. Interesting. So I mean the business side isn't super sexy out, but I mean if you're going out there on your own and getting some work in addition to your agent, um, and we're talking about stuff that falls between the cracks and that that might not specialise in lots of corporate work or that sort of stuff. Yeah, um, absolutely go for it, but just be aware of what you're and even like it doesn't have to be a huge contract, just even in an email in writing to say and this is the rate and this is for three months usage on Facebook and whatever it is. Yeah, yeah um because you don't want to turn down these opportunities, but you also don't want to be surrounded by all these opportunities and they're just making absolute money out of you. Um and you're not getting yeah. So a good a good start is to look at the type of paperwork uh with the local union or industry affiliation, you know, just to get some advice there. Yeah. Uh they've got rate guides, they've got rate Fred, they've got rate cards and also um have some of the contracts as well. So you can just sort of so you can sort of you can print the print out the contracts. And sort of just put your name on it so it's a template basically, which is great. So it was a lot happening. I'm pretty excited.

SAM 22:07

Yeah, sounds good.

MAX 22:08

Sounds busy. It's good. And coming up this week, I've just got I've got boring stuff to do. Like I've got to update my CV with all the stuff I've been doing. And I've got to I'm gonna update my show reel again now with the interrogation in it. And just just sort of spruce it up at the start for those that don't get through the first 20 seconds. And just make sure that it's on all the profiles and I've got up-to-date stuff on on everything because I've I've been so busy lately, I've I know I've sort of taken my eye off that.

SPEAKER_01 22:36

Yeah.

MAX 22:37

And you don't want to be that guy where you know they've clicked on a link and they want to use you and the link doesn't work or something. Yeah. You know, that wouldn't be fun. That would not be fun. But having said that, there's some stuff coming uh some industry stuff coming out again. I know I'm going to a screening of a movie with a QA afterwards with the director. I'll talk about it more in next week. Yeah. Because I forgot about it. Yep. Um but um but so some stuff is starting to land again. And and even at the cinemas, like I went to see Unhinged, I did it, I did gold class because I thought what the hell they're doing half price.

SAM 23:08

Yeah, I saw that, and they're doing half price. They were doing half price. Are they still doing half price?

MAX 23:12

I think so, because they're trying to encourage people to come back. Yeah, I kind of want to go. And you know, this the the movie offering isn't super strong because a lot of global releases have been pushed back or gone to video on demand because I can't release like cinemas are closed in many states in America. Yeah, and we're here ready to go to cinemas. So we had Unhinged, uh, there was a couple other. Oh, that's the Russell Crowe one. Yeah, yeah. Is it good? Yeah, yeah, six hours. Bizarre ten, isn't it? Well, I've seen Falling Down, yeah, okay, with which is great. Have you seen Falling Down? No, you have Michael Douglas. Okay. Um, just fantastic. The guy is having a bad day, and he's a guy who likes things all organized. You know, he's having and it just gets out of control and one wrong, it just keeps getting, and you can just it the tension is growing every time you you see um something bad happen to the guy, yeah, and it just gets inflamed to this point where he's this ordinary guy in extraordinary situations which just go from bad to worse to ugly. Yeah. So unhinged, I had that in mind when I looked at unhinged, it's just a bit more full on. Yeah, okay. The violence isn't in your face, yeah. But when it happens, it's it's quite shocking. And you could sort of relate to some of it. Like it's just it's a bit, it's a bit, it's definitely road rage-y, but hey, it's not like Mad Max Road Rage, but uh but uh I don't know. It was cool, it was good. It held it held my attention, it was great. I'm sure the wine helped as I was kicking back in girl class, you know. Looking like a boss. What did that make them?

SAM 24:37

What like 20 bucks?

MAX 24:38

So I paid, and this is Australian okay, so it's probably like what, $15 American, $21 for the ticket, half price to sit in my lovely recliner. Nice, $9.50 for a nice glass of wine. It always improves the movie. That was my reintroduction to the uh COVID world of movie going.

SAM 24:55

Very nice. Uh I've never been to Gold Class. Have you? I think now's a good time if it's half price.

MAX 25:01

Yeah, absolutely.

SAM 25:02

Yeah.

MAX 25:02

I think it's a great idea too to get people back. And then when you do book online, they've blocked it so that when you book that the seats around you and your party, like if you're going with three people or four people, you could book your seats together, but then around you automatically adjusts to yeah, it's I don't like people next to me anyway.

SAM 25:19

It's perfect. So the code you're suited to COVID world.

MAX 25:22

Oh my god, this is for you. Yeah, legit though. But uh so yeah, so it makes it really easy. And they've got lots of hand sanitizer. I'll tell you what, the movies and the cinemas have never looked as clean. Really? Like, you know, you're not sitting on dirty popcorn. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure. It's the way it used to be. That's good. When people used to tidy up after themselves. Oh god. So it's pretty cool. So like we're slowly, it feels like we're getting back to normal. I feel like I'm pretty busy now. That's good. Everything's sort of pumping along. It's just dot the i's, cross the t's, hang on and hope. Me too. Usual. Yeah, 100%. And uh well, it's a lot of fun. We'll hope hopefully have some interviews lined up soon. Because it was a lot of fun, especially last week interviewing Jack and Jacob, although it was heavy on the editing because Fred was barking like crazy.

SAM 26:04

You were barking the whole time.

MAX 26:05

Oh my god, I think Jacob was looking at him like he wanted to kill you at one stage, Fred. Yeah, in his mind going, it's just in a jump, it's a skip. In his mind, he's going, what would Stephen King do? Fred, he's the microwave. No, that's horrible. Don't say that. Fred the pincushion. No, no, that's horrible.

SAM 26:23

Oh no, Freddie, look what it's just crazy.

MAX 26:25

He really didn't like Jack.

SAM 26:26

No, he really did not. He was He didn't like me the first time he met me either. That's true, that's true.

MAX 26:30

I have to we've learnt that uh if you look closely at the YouTube, you'll see Sam feeding him treats. Feeding Fred treats close while we're trots. I'm like So I've learned, yeah, big traits for Fred, and that'll keep it. But then he knew. So he's he was like the first treat, and he's there waiting for the next treat.

SAM 26:52

And if I didn't do it fast enough, he'd bark even louder. He's got you trained well.

MAX 26:55

I'm Max. I'm Sam. We are two unemployed actors. Uh make sure you tune in next week. Tune in. Bye.

SPEAKER_01 27:02

Two unemployed actors.