How I Accidentally Auditioned for the Wrong Role! | Ep 54

MAX: 00:12
Welcome back to Two Unemployed Actors. I'm Max. I'm Sam. Plenty to talk about today. We'll get stuck into it. Because starting with an embarrassing story. Yes. I am the gift that keeps giving when it comes to embarrassing stories. For those of you that haven't been listening regularly.

SAM: 00:27
Those of you who know Max. Naughty people.

MAX: 00:29
So essentially, I essentially, reality, I had to do a self-tape last week. Bless you, Fred. And I had to do a self-tape last week for a director who, through the agent, said, look, you know, we want Max to audition for this role as a farmer. So the agent sent through two scripts and said, you know, to three people who were copied in, make sure you do your parts for blah blah do your self-tapes for this below and send it back. And sent it to the director copying me in. So I I rehearsed for a day and a half and then recorded it with Emma. She was the reader, and uh sent it away. And as you do, you move on, you think nothing of it, you know. Maybe something will happen.

Speaker 2: 01:08
Yep.

MAX: 01:09
I got an email from the director just directly to me uh a couple of days ago going, look, thanks for the self-tape, it's great. What you did though is you read for the little boy who's talking to the girl. And and you made it work. But if you could the producers in America really want you to read for the farmer who's Rick. Oh my gosh. So I read for Billy. How did you so I know did your agent just tell you? No, no, well, I just printed off the scripts and I looked at it and I just picked the first one up and just went, okay, this is cool. There weren't any. Which always makes it interesting, Charles. But yeah. So, you know, I just unless the language was clear as day. Like Well, it kind of is on like even Emma sort of said, Well, it's kind of interesting script for you. So she clocked that, which means I should have. But anyway, uh, but funnily enough, the dregs gone, but you made it work. So I replied So you got the boy. I got I'm very immature. Imagine that I didn't have to say, it just speaks for itself. So I replied back and said, Well, I can make anything work.

SAM: 02:06
Oh my god, no.

MAX: 02:07
But uh I'll get straight on it and get it to you tomorrow. She's replied back laughing, ha ha. Um, thank you. But you know, we don't need it till the 25th, so take your time and you know, read between the lines, take your time, do it right. Uh take your time and send it back to me by the 25th. So I'm like, oh, so I'm working through that, the real script and uh the actual character because yeah, I kind of fucked that up all on my own. That was brilliant. But anyway, just so good raising my profile. So good. Is that a test to see if you can take direction? Actually, read a different script. Okay, read the other one. Um my god. Yeah, so that's so funny. Because I was just saying the other day to a friend, like, oh, you know, I've got the TV bits and television commercials and a lot of corporate stuff, the bread and butter boring stuff that pays the bills. I shouldn't say boring, I mean it's it's you it's a lot of work to make it sound really natural and interesting.

Speaker 2: 02:53
Yeah, yeah.

MAX: 02:54
And uh I'm like, it'd be really great to get a walk on a feature, you know, a feature film, like it's just a small supporting or something. And then literally that afternoon, the note came through from the agent going, here's an opportunity for you to do self-tape. And I guess it's weird how that works. Yeah, didn't work with the lotto numbers. I tried to say not doing lotto tonight. No, it didn't work. Although I ended up getting those emails going, Congratulations, you've won! And I'm like, Oh, and I open it up, it's like $5.50. It's like, well, that doesn't even pay for the ticket. It's a moment of heart attack, and then I it's not about that.

SAM: 03:26
Well, uh on topic of auditions, Jess and I had uh so my agent sent me through um an audition. He was like, I need you and your girlfriend to audition Jess. Brilliant. Um we went for an audition for TK Max. Okay, which is I think it's a it's a quite a big um department store in England. Okay. And it's here, but I think it's not as big here yet. Oh apparently. But but um so we went for that. We went we had to play a couple, so they wanted the re a real couple. That should be easy. And it was very stylistic and all that stuff. Um I can't say I don't know if I can say too much about it. Um at the moment. If you're not sure, don't. No, I won't say it. It's easy, it's easy policy. It works. It was cool. It was with Citizen Jane. Oh yeah. Uh and I the casting agent was a guy that I'd done like a Hungry Jacks audition for before. He's lovely and he makes you feel really good there.

MAX: 04:20
I haven't got anything through them, but I've been there even during COVID, yeah. They're really good. They're great.

SAM: 04:24
Yeah, um, but we went in person because we asked them in person. Yeah. Uh but some people had self-tafes, all that stuff. So yeah, I don't know. Um not sure.

MAX: 04:32
Did you did you get lots of direction as a couple? Or I guess you'd be pretty natural. Like, yeah, no, they're not.

SAM: 04:37
Well they said like, dude, what do they say? Like some walkers, too. Alright, so like Jess, look at the bag. Like you just give it's a Christmas it's for a Christmas hat. Look at the bag. Oh, you love the bag. Thank you, thank him. You're you're a cocky.

MAX: 04:52
It's so funny, isn't it?

SAM: 04:53
I'm cocky, you put your thing over your shoulder, like kind of give him a kiss. Oh, that sucks. Yeah. And and but i I I watched a lot of TK Maxx commercials and they're very like colourful and stylistic, and but like studio and big budget scene. So it's really cool. I hope, I hope, fingers crossed, I don't know.

MAX: 05:12
Best of luck. Well, I mean, it's it's interesting because you know you walk into those empty rooms and it's like, okay, now you're doing you're picking up a bag, you're shopping, or you're sitting, or the the the cars are funny. Um there's just a chair in the middle of the room. Sit down, you're driving the car, and you look at and you wave to your friends, and then you drive, and then you change gears and you smile to the camera, it's like, oh my god, you know, you know, commercials are weird, they're they're like beat beats and like points you have to reach, like there are moments that you actually have to get.

SAM: 05:34
One, two, otherwise.

MAX: 05:36
And you're lucky to get two or three no's and five minutes, boom, out of there.

SAM: 05:39
And the guy, the guy was said it was good. He's like, let's just do that again. That was awesome. Or whatever. So great. We'll see. But he suggested he's like, Oh, you take so I wore glasses here. And he said, take off your glasses and put them on during the scene. And I had my arm around Jess and one arm with like a bag of my shoulders. I took that off.

MAX: 05:53
Which never happens when you're shopping with Jess moves.

SAM: 05:54
No, no. And I'm trying to I'm trying to like get the glasses off during the scene. And he's like, Okay, no, let's not do that. Sabotage your glasses. I know. So, but that was funny. But so yeah, I don't know. That was that's all really. Like, since last week, I haven't done much except for work, gym, and that's about it. We had to skip grant next week uh last week because it was very busy. Yeah, fair enough. Um, yeah, so I haven't done much, but that's about it. Keeping you busy.

MAX: 06:20
I mean, I I'm trying moving as we alluded to last podcast. The big date is coming. It's like five days away. We're Monday, anyway, 28th. I'm moving and uh it's just getting everything planned. Like, I hate moving, seriously. I I if the rent went up, I'd pay more rent just to stay. But I'm that lazy. Not lazy, just you know it but I'm moving to I'm moving to well, funny enough, I'm getting more and saving money. So yeah, I'm paying less than you're moving pure reason to save money, right?

SAM: 06:46
Not really.

MAX: 06:47
I just I want to bigger place.

SAM: 06:48
You want a bigger place too.

MAX: 06:49
So it's got three bedrooms instead of two, and there's plenty of room for fair. And it's a house. A garage. It's it's it's yeah, moving from an apartment to a house. Yeah. It just so happens that there are less people looking and more properties available because of the COVID.

SAM: 07:01
The COVID.

MAX: 07:01
Well, there's no tourists taking Airbnb, so they've all gone on to long-term property, so there's all their supply. So anyway, so all that's happening, and then I confirmed one of the presenting gigs I got, which is filmed in a couple of weeks' time, um, about hospitality and the COVID, which we talked about earlier. Another one, which I'm yet to have the meeting, which looks like it's 90% confirmed, which will turn into a regular gig half uh day a month, which is great because regular work when you're an actor is very good. Awesome.

SAM: 07:27
What's that? What is that?

MAX: 07:28
That is for a wine company.

SAM: 07:30
Oh, that's right. You tell me. Yeah. And it's a com what is it, like a commercial or something?

MAX: 07:34
So it's like so. Imagine you're signing up to sell adors to this company that provides sellador wines that normally you can only get by actually going there. Obviously, with the COVID less travel, it's easier to tick a box and pay extra postage and get it delivered to you. Yeah. But it also comes with a little code you can put in or the website you can put in, you get the email which goes to Max presenting about this wine that you've got, this boutique wine, and you know, so generic intro, generic outro, and then bits and pieces each month for whatever wines are coming from wineries.

SAM: 08:01
Oh, that's very cool.

MAX: 08:02
And I think it's a great way to bring different wines. Direct Star now. Everything I'm talking about today is for the director, Steinhour. Yeah, it's pretty good. Uh like one I did just then, literally, I'll post it on social so you can see what it's like when you're working from home as an actor. I had the studio set up with the two lights, I've got the teleprompter, I've got the camera, so there's just a sea of tripods here in the kitchen, and and frame with me talking about a cooktop. Oh my god. So it's like four paragraphs of you know, you've got to be interested but not overly excited because then it comes across too sales-y, yeah. But you've got to be knowledgeable, you know what I mean? You've got to have some credibility, so you can't be too jokey. So it's kind of and that's why I have presenting on top with a black t-shirt, and then it's summer underneath shorts and and and thongs, which you don't see from the top up. Can't go wrong with black, yes. No, I know. If if in doubt, keep it and with the white kitchen behind me, it's perfect, you know. Because you know it's all that seeing me, obviously. Uh so hopefully I'll I'll edit that and send it away today because uh that'll be that'll be a good one. I think it's the same guys I went with last year, and uh they loved it and put me forward for the pilot they were recording. I wasn't available that day, but they said, don't worry about it. We're gonna put what we've got from your audition, which is great, to get a decision. Because the business they were talking to was sort of umming and ringing as to whether to do it or not. So they put the package together and what it was going to be, obviously they didn't go for it because I didn't get a callback. But it it was going to be similar to what I was auditioning for today, where you pick a category. For me, I think it was gonna be electronics and cars, you know, stuff I'm interested in, where whenever they come up, you know, you get to review whatever it is to camera, auto queue and everything. So it's you know being normal while you're reading off a teleprompter, but um it's it's it was really good premise, and that's sort of stuff because of my corporate background and that like I find it pretty I'm that's my sort of comfort zone.

SAM: 09:48
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's cool.

MAX: 09:50
Um, and also coming from character acting and that, like it's like so different, you know. So I just drop into corporate max and remember to smile. Um and it kind of all comes together, yeah. And it's all about less presenti these days, and that trend starts same for it started with voiceovers, I think, where less DJ, you know, full on and more relaxed, relatable, like you're having a conversation with someone. Yeah, yeah, genuine, rather than barking at them that they must buy and get a free set of steak knives. Yeah. So you can tell you're a voiceover out there, yeah. Yeah, so that's happening, and yeah, voiceovers are pretty good, they're still coming and paying the rent, which is great. It's also actor voting season. So short films, I've votes in, and uh it's all it's all starting stuff from now. I miss though, I miss going to the actor cinema. And because you can just sign up. Just remember. Yeah, and you can go to whichever one and watch the movie, and you get an intro from the cast or the crew, maybe a director QA, or just the distribution company, you know, Stony Universal are there, and they're also giving out popcorn and ice cream as you go in just to, you know, because that's going to help you vote for them, right? Uh um and the cinemas aren't always packed. I mean, it's generally daytime/slash evening because there's a lot of movies to go. Like last last year, I think there were 36 or something. So that's a lot to get through. And you've also got access to pass through 36 movies. Almost. Some of them I'd seen before, just normally. How? Because I'm they're not are they short films? No, features. And you can't even possibly. If it's not all in one day. Oh. Over a period of weeks. Yeah, right. Okay. Because that'd be interesting. I was gonna say of the movie marathon, it's like, oh my god. So, but each you get a you get a timetable of when they're all showing at the cinema.

SAM: 11:40
Okay.

MAX: 11:41
And some of them aren't, some of them are just for actor TV, which you also get an app so you can watch on the television at your own leisure. Leisure so that you can somehow get through as many as possible to make a more accurate vote count, which is the point, which is great. It also means you get access to stuff you would normally see and and all that, which is also cool.

SAM: 11:59
I I haven't been thinking about signing up as a member, it just costs.

MAX: 12:02
I know, it's not cheap, but but you do get benefits into well, I mean, discounted movie tickets and that, but events. That's it. And pretty much. That's it. Not even uh $400 a year and you get an ice cream. Yay! Yay! I did it. And $400 in actor money, that's a lot.

SAM: 12:21
I'll pay $400 a year for the actor and then also $500 for voice.

MAX: 12:24
I think it was a voice. I think it was around well, yeah, but see, uh, like last week's uh one voiceover job paid for both. You know what I mean? Like it just depends. Like it's an in one voice. Yeah, so a voices.com is US dollars too, and so that makes it nice getting paid then from PayPal to me and Australian dollars.

SAM: 12:40
See, like I really want to sign up for voices.com. It's yeah, no. But like you can't you may not get job. What if you don't get a job? I know and it could be what yeah. Because you have a real you've been doing it for ages.

MAX: 12:49
Well, I like could uh I mean, well, you see what my approach was, because it's a really good question. Is a chicken in the egg, right? Yeah, here we go. Let's talk about this. Yeah, I I had a voiceover, well, voiceover, I had a voice coach who for American Accent, Paige Walker, fantastic, but also has an agent with RM, she signed with RMK to do voiceovers. And she was the first one to go, well, hang on a minute, you did five years of radio, you cold read well. Why don't you do voiceovers? Yeah, yeah. So I'm like, join those massive two dots, like, come on. So what I did was I recorded heaps of stuff. Yeah. Well, not even not even then. I before that, yeah, I talked to her about what sort of scripts do you think suitable for me based on what she's seeing out there in terms of work. So I'm not just recording any script. Yeah. And then I worked with her on those scripts. So after an American accent thing, where I'd stay there for another 15 minutes and work through a particular script and pause at the right spot and get her take and do a bit of different and really refine it so that I could go to the engineer who again was recommended by her to walk into the booth, be ready to go, yeah, with all my scripts laid out, and it just made me spend less time in a more expensive environment, which is a studio with a professional engineer. And then he took those and put them all together into with with music beds where appropriate and made it sound like a it was a really professional demo. Two and a half minutes of me.

SAM: 14:06
So with voices.com, do you get rollover stuff or it's just it's up to you to negotiate.

MAX: 14:11
They've got a budget for the project, yeah, and it might be between X and Y, and you put your bid in and say also it includes you know a couple of revisions, if they make a few amendments, and any additional revision might be X amount. Yeah. If it's tel like one just got upgraded last week, they they love the audition, the client loves it. It's a reproduction company in England, but they've just upgraded it to television. So I said, was it free to air or is it just pay TV? Like not sure yet, but if what if it's a US thing and they don't? Well, so I hang on. So I have to pay, I have to I have to have a project fee, and then I say, okay, it's X amount for three months if you if if it's free to air, if it's six months, it's X amount. So I make sure it's not just a a plain budget, which is easy to do. Yeah. Uh to get you know, unlimited.

SAM: 14:51
So but what if it's like a US thing and you don't even know that you're being replayed? Like how do they um I know that's kind of illegal.

MAX: 14:57
I've got a spreadsheet. Um so what I do is I I wherever there and it's not many because most of it's corporate work for me. Yeah, but there's also animation and and e-learning. Um, there's there's like there's so many, there's like 20 different categories. Yeah. So how would you so you contact them? There's a well, there's a few. So there's about three or four this year that that involve rollovers. Yeah. So I've got a diarised and spreadsheet to go and check with their website and online, and it's easy with technology. Nice.

SAM: 15:24
Um, and if they have, you'll contact them and be able to do that. Exactly. Excuse me.

MAX: 15:26
And it's not that difficult to do, just be a bit organized, especially when it comes to you making money. And rollovers are great for actors, yeah. So whether you're a voice actor or on set, and I think you know, it's easy to say, here's my budget fee, and that's it.

Speaker 2: 15:40
Yeah.

MAX: 15:40
Um, because remember, they're saving money by not booking a studio for you to go and record. Yeah. So they're already saving coin. Yeah. Um, and that could be another sneaky way to save money when it comes to because generally it's voices.com is quite professional. Yeah. And if you've got any questions, 24-7, they're there to answer them. The voices.com crew. Sometimes cart clients don't really know what to ask or how to ask, they haven't done it before, and they'll get a voices.com person to post it and monitor it and cast it. Um, but also just yeah, be aware of rollovers when it comes and look at your union rate card and and and other voice companies, look at their rate cards, they're publishable. You print them out and have a look, and it'll clearly say the budget for different types of work, whether it be corporate or whether it be advertised, whether it be Instagram, whether it be free to air TV.

SAM: 16:24
You shouldn't have voice agents, like look at their agents.

MAX: 16:27
Yeah, and that gives you an idea. And then um, for example, when I was on set for a corporate gig um to camera presenting, no voiceover work, but same deal for the website as well, and online, um, it was a flat fee. Yeah. I said, that's great, and I'll do it for that flat fee, but it's for 12 months only.

Speaker 2: 16:43
Yeah.

MAX: 16:44
And then there's rollover after 12 months. They the production company checked with the client, they came back and said, Yeah, fine, like for them, 500 bucks a year. They were in a financial investment company if they haven't got 500. If they didn't use a bit late, and then I just diarised and came up, you know, July 1, have a look. Oh yeah, they've still got me on, so I sent the invoice. And that happened three years. And they sent it back. Yeah, and I know I was the only actor out of the five that participated that stipulated this because of the question time on the first invoice. I sent it to the production company and they're like, We haven't dealt with them for a while, we'll send it straight to their payroll. They sent it to them and they okayed it so that you know they weren't used to it. But when they understood it, I'm sure they'd appreciate it. It's just professional, it's it's a standard percent.

SAM: 17:21
And and the reason why voicevoices.com is so expensive is because they know that you can earn a lot, right?

MAX: 17:28
And like so, so I started with I well, um, I started with uh the the workshop workshopping the scripts, then recording the the um demo, yeah. Then I've got this demo and it's huge. It's two and a half minutes. No one's gonna listen to two and a half minutes. If they're looking for a corporate job, they're not gonna press play and wait and wait and wait for it. So I broke it down into the individual scripts and then categorized them effectively, yeah, and then uploaded them as individual scripts to those particular categories. It was a lot of work to build that profile. Yeah. So if someone's searching for corporate actor or entertaining and you know, slow or relaxed and like there's different ways to search, yeah. I've got all the demos there. And some of them are jobs I do.

SAM: 18:13
The put categories underneath it. It's a very cool.

MAX: 18:15
And then what they generally ask you to do, 90% of the time, they'll ever have a script so the client can hear their work in your voice. And you use that script audition. I've got it down so quickly now on how to um edit an Adobe audition. You never read the full script because if they do, if that's mostly they don't, but if they do have a full script, they can just take that and run with that. There's the job done. Yeah. So never read a full script. 90% of the time everything's fine, but you always gotta watch out. So read as much as you think is appropriate, give it a few takes. I chop it down to one take, and then all I do is what I do with the podcast recording. I just compress it so it all sounds the same. Uh there's no two too highs, too lows, and then normalize it to the right minus three dB, I think is the standard, and that brings it up to the right level. Um, and then away it goes. So bless you, Fred. So really, um, for me, that's how it sort of evolved. And remember as like a wave. Yeah. Uh no, MP3. And don't forget, when I started, yeah, I signed up and I did, and it was a commitment because I'm into the unknown. I had a bit more confidence because I had the demos ready and the profile up to date, 100% everything. But I used the little USB mic, not the USB, but kind of mic that I use when I do self-tapes into the phone.

SAM: 19:31
Yeah.

MAX: 19:31
So I've got this $90 road mic. Oh my god. And I got a couple of jobs. One of them was a grand, the next one was one and a half. I'm like, holy, you know, that's when I went and invested one of the jobs into the equipment. Yeah. To then unlock more opportunities. Because I I felt bad sending, like, I can't record a thousand dollar thing on the you just compressed it and it was like Yeah, because remember they're they're listening to the audition in an MP3 file. Yeah. It's not the highest quality. Uh, and obviously you also list your equipment.

unknown: 19:58
Yeah.

MAX: 19:58
So and the demos are professionally recorded, so they know you're capable of doing it professionally, otherwise, you know, you wouldn't be there. And then I'll send it away. And most of the time, actually, you can tell how you're getting better with experience because most of the time they're like, Yep, you're paid, done. Thank you, and give you a nice review. There's less of I need you to just re-record that or your bank details on there already. It goes through voices.com. So when they put up a job, yeah, the money is held in escrow by voices.com.

SAM: 20:24
Okay.

MAX: 20:24
So that way, once it's confirmed job's done, voices.com release the payment.

SAM: 20:28
Australia.

MAX: 20:29
And within a fortnight, you're paid in your bank account. I get paid into PayPal because it's foreign currency sometimes, mostly US. So even if the Australian and more Australian businesses are using it, obviously more majority is US. And uh when an Australian company does it, it's it's paid in US dollars, so but that's just the the the the the the fortnight, like a fortnight away. Fortnite later, yeah. I think uh every Saturday or the Saturday after you record it gets released or something. And and it's not the US to sign up. I think that was my last fee, yeah. I think so. Um I can't remember exactly. I'll put it on our social just to let everyone know on Facebook.

SAM: 21:05
Um and is it up front? Do you remember? It'll be easier.

MAX: 21:08
Yes, yes.

SAM: 21:08
So you have to do it straight away.

MAX: 21:10
And I've looked, I've done a few other platforms, and I've just all I'm on is face of voices.com now. It's just it's the one that works for me.

SAM: 21:15
Yeah, okay. And so are most of the stuff you have to do in American accent then if it's mostly.

MAX: 21:19
Some stuff I might go for America, but again, with experience, you sort of know what if I go for this or not. Like computer games, never got a job. I I just I never, you know, so I I I know that's not my priority for me. If I get all my work done and I get all my auditions done and my voices, voiceover jobs done, then maybe if I've got time I'll audition for a few of those. But you sort of know what is going to be good or not. And also budget wise, like one might say, we want you to do a 45,000 word audiobook recording and 200 dolls. And then you go, wait a minute, the rate per word and the hours it'll take me to do it, plus editing hours. No, some of them are taking the business. Sometimes there's free stuff as well, like, look, you know, I'm a student, I've done a short film, I just need a voiceover to sound like a journalist on blah blah blah. And you might maybe Maybe you'll put 50 bucks in as a bid, you can put money to it. And if the say it's 200 US is their budget, you could say, look, for this job, I'm bidding 300 US because it's involving X, Y, and Z. And then they pay you that. And they can agree or not. There's plenty of people auditioning. So I've got a few jobs that way where, because you're dealing with production companies most of the time.

Speaker 2: 22:20
Yeah.

MAX: 22:21
And uh they, you know, they're putting it all together and say with corporate work, you know, they've got the visuals, they just want to drop in the voiceover over the top, and they're they're gonna be responsible for editing that clean.

SAM: 22:30
Yeah, okay.

MAX: 22:31
Um, so they used they know what they're doing. So they can they they uh understand the remuneration involved because they do it every day. So if you say my fee's actually 300 and they put you in the client list because that's doable and the client and they say to the client looks 300 and not 200, but it's it's what you like, then you know I've gotten a few jobs when I've bid what I think I should rather than what they say I should. So you you'd say it's worth it, even though it's expensive to sign up. Well, for me, it's worked. I'm not gonna say it's worked for everyone. No, of course. But yeah, absolutely for me it's worth and with my lack of confidence, it took a few visits to Page before I had the confidence to go and put the but even even at the studio, like it was just great to have it all flow when I was recording with the engineer.

Speaker 2: 23:11
Yeah.

MAX: 23:11
Um and he was there to give it a feedback as well. I mean, it's in his best interest to have the best sounding demo too.

SAM: 23:16
Yeah.

MAX: 23:17
So I was really happy with the evolution. It didn't hurt that I walked, I bumped straight into some high-paying gigs. That's very cool. Just inadvertently in the beginning.

SAM: 23:24
I'd so how many jobs do you usually get a week, for example?

MAX: 23:26
Uh could be half a dozen or so, it just depends. That you actually get average. Yeah, it could be it's all over the shop. And then there's clients that have worked with me before. There was one last week who worked with me, we had great, and he's like, okay, I've got six more jobs for you. Great. And then there's another company that's like, we want to keep using you as our company voice. And then sometimes it can evolve off the it depends. No, it's all over. No, but I think the average I've seen is 200 US for a job. Okay. But it's like a standard voices.com starting point. Don't eat my Star Wars Lego, Fred. Expenno. Um very cool. So yeah, it is cool. So there's lots to it.

SAM: 24:01
You're gonna cancel at the end of the year, right? You can, you can.

MAX: 24:04
It's only 12 months, you're not locked in beyond that. And uh I'd have I'd encourage you to have a look at the website if you've got to be able to do it.

SAM: 24:09
If I have the road mic, because I have a road mic now.

MAX: 24:11
Yeah. So it's good. I would encourage anyone who's interested, have a look at voices.com. They've got lots of audio visual support from podcasts to to camera pieces on how to have demo scripts to to to practice with that actually and to even record. So um have a look at that. YouTube's also a great place, or there's lots of different reasons and lots of junk. You filter through um to get some good voiceover tips. Always I prefer people who are actually working in the industry because they tend to be a bit more credible. Yeah. Um, and go and listen, look at their website, listen to their demos, make sure if if it sounds like you, if it's something you could do, you know, then look look and pay attention and then listen to the YouTube channel and and get some tips from them. Okay. And go that way rather than um just looking at anyone on YouTube who's got a mic talking about how you can make money when they don't do it for a living, you know. Yeah, yeah. YouTube's YouTube, isn't it? Sometimes 70% of people who are just, you know, dead because there's a camera and 30% actually know what they're doing. Yeah, exactly. So fun fact for you. Oh, it's good very educational. Oh, guess what? Guess what? I yeah, watched. Accidentally turned into a great tuned into a great movie last week. I'm just looking at uh my cable TV and my Fox style, and I've gone, oh you know what? I've finished dinner, I'm gonna sit down, I'm gonna sleep in tomorrow. Great night. I just want to watch a movie. Fred, let's snuggle up. I picked uh Unlocked. Now, it's a kind of I kind of got it. I I really didn't look at the detail. I'm just like, let's go. And it's kind of like a spy thriller thing. Okay, not like a Lacar with all the detail and you know more less towards Mission Impossible a bit, but kind of erring more towards reality. Um, but anyway, there's Tony Collette on screen, like, oh cool. She's playing a British uh official, and then John Malkovich is on camera. Oh wow, and then Michael Douglas looks on and does it, and then Numi Raypace and Orlando Bloom are the key protagonists. So I'm like, what have I walked into here? This is amazing, and then why haven't I heard of this? Yeah. So sometimes you get lots of stuff that would have gone and limited a release on on but just dropped straight to pay-per-view because of the nature of the environment at the moment with COVID. And I'm just like randomly picked how often do you randomly pick a movie like that where everything just comes together, it's your favourite genre, and all these actors come out the woodwork. I was surprised to see Michael Douglas.

SAM: 26:20
Yeah.

MAX: 26:21
Um obviously they were great. I mean, I kind of got a bit of stuff towards the middle of what was gonna happen, but it was great to see it all unfold. It's not your average spy thriller, it's quite interesting.

Speaker 2: 26:32
Yeah, right.

MAX: 26:33
But great actors. So normally when I accidentally pick something, I kind of watch some of it on Fast Forward, but uh That's that's good.

SAM: 26:40
Yeah, I'll take a look. And some Voxtail.

MAX: 26:43
Yeah, unlocked. I'll take a look. Or Google Play or wherever else you can buy your movies. All right. You've been listening to two unemployed actors. I'm Max. I'm Sam. Make sure you tune in next week. Uh, big shout out to our listeners in LA and in France and in England this week. Thank you very much.