The Reality of Paid vs Free Gigs: What Actors Need to Know & Audition tips| Ep 56

MAX: 00:12
Welcome back to two unemployed actors. I'm Max. I'm Sam. Big show today. I just wanna I wanna kick off with something I forgot to mention last time actually. It was really funny. I had this last-minute audition request come through, and I think it was from one of the online platforms. I can't remember, but they reached out, someone hadn't worked with before, uh, with an ad agency, needed a quick turnaround, a regional advertisement uh for like a utility company or something. Okay. And it's one of those future you talks to current you sort of thing. So current you sitting there going, I think I need to look at my electricity bill. And future you comes in and goes, Yes, you're a champion. You know, and there's a few of those call-outs to do. I think there's about three of them. And then um I decided to get Fred, Fred involved. I put him up on the chair and was just yelling at him, champion, you know, he took direction really well, I have to say, and um was still for most of the time, and that was without treats, without treats, I have to say. Many could do with with probably the whole podcast, but um stuck talking, edited it better than me too. But uh anyway, so I sent it back and um the guys replied, awesome, thanks, blah, blah, blah. And then, I mean, you talk about a quick turnaround, the client made a decision four hours later, so it was literally from first contact to end of the end of the day.

SAM: 01:25
I wish everything was like that.

MAX: 01:27
You know, right? Anyway, the advert uh he's he's got back to me at the agency and he said, uh, oh look, you know, I loved it. Yours was the the recommendation that we recommended to the client. He just went with someone who was a bit older, but I'll keep you on file, you know, great stuff, blah blah. I was I think it was just a bit must be a compliment.

SAM: 01:42
It's somehow a bit of a feeling.

MAX: 01:44
Yeah, well, at this true uh someone who looked like they know what they're doing, someone who looked like they have credibility or something, yeah. No, but uh I think it's great. I mean, look, you know, there's someone else I haven't worked with that that knows me and well, Fred. And I think it's good sometimes to mix it up, which is my point. Like if you're doing so many auditions, like it's like just mix up a little like it's a it's already a fun, cheeky sort of audition, and you can be over the top. Yeah, so I really dialed it up and then started dialing it back slowly, and then as I edited it, I put what I really think they'd use in an ad at the front, and then a wild one in it with me interjecting every now and then screaming at champion with Fred in the chair, so they could see it was really fun, get a laugh, you know, bring the vibe in, the happy vibe in 100%, and uh make it a bit different and sort of stand out a bit. So sometimes, like, don't be afraid to do that, not at the cost of not sending what you think they'd not just me screaming at a doc, but uh actually listening to their direction as well. The other thing was he sent through the email to a few people, but with his contact number, should you need any more information? I call if there's a number, I'm gonna call because I'm gonna find out, especially him being the decision maker of what goes forward to the client. So I'm like, it and I've got great tips. Uh he's like, oh, I haven't told anyone else that, but you know, it'd be great to you know dwell on this particular bit and be up be more upbeaten over the top on this area, and like if I'm gonna get more information, why the hell not?

SAM: 03:08
Yeah, why not? Yeah, if they're happy to offer it.

MAX: 03:10
Yep, indeed. So so that was good fun. I mean, it didn't get it, but um but it's uh it made auditioning a bit more fun, and Fred just thought it was even more crazy just standing around yelling at him, which is not possible. No, well, yeah, it's pretty crazy.

SAM: 03:23
Kind of what I do, stand around and yell at him, but uh that's similar to what I did for that for that Helga's commercial, which I also didn't get. We must be going too silly. No, um I I like It's the pity podcast. Yeah, like for example, I so so within the we had kind of like a like sketches that like animated sketches as an example of what the ad is gonna look like. Yes. Um and there was so I would have played a Animatics. Yeah.

MAX: 03:50
I had to there was a term for it.

SAM: 03:52
Yes, exactly, that's it. Um I would have played a a young tradie, and my scene, the sandwich comes on like a conveyor belt that has the bricks. Yeah. So I got like a garbage bag in the shape of like a long rectangle and put a sandwich and a brick on it, and like pulled it out of frame and cut it together with me grabbing it off the thing. Oh, that's hilarious. So something funny.

MAX: 04:10
I was surprised that I just used that as the commercial. Why film?

SAM: 04:13
Why yeah, yeah. Job done. I was a bit concerned they may grab that one and not pay me.

MAX: 04:18
Did you use Helger's bread on the sandwich?

SAM: 04:20
To be honest, I didn't have these details. I didn't have Helger's. I used like hulla. You know what huller is? You know the No. It's like plattered bread. Uh-huh. It's because the only one we have. Fancy bread.

MAX: 04:29
Fancy bread. Jewish bread. Ah. That's why I don't know.

SAM: 04:33
There's all that listen is gone. That's okay.

MAX: 04:35
It's okay. Jesus. Sorry.

unknown: 04:39
I don't know.

MAX: 04:41
So anyway, um, it's great. Yeah, it's great to make it a bit more fun, a bit more interesting. And they can see that you're you're trying and you're really passionate about what you're doing. Yeah, exactly. Which is kind of good because you'll bring that to set.

SAM: 04:53
Exactly.

MAX: 04:54
Hopefully.

SAM: 04:55
And fun attitude.

MAX: 04:56
I uh work with someone fun attitude's always well, yeah, exactly. And I think But professional. Professional fun. Yeah, I know, right. You've got to find the balance. Like you've been on set a few times now, you know, like you're experienced enough to know when to shut up and when just to you know get the job done. Yeah. And when to have a bit of a laugh, whatever, you know. Um when everyone's shouting, we're losing the light, we're losing the light, and everyone's running around like a you know, that's probably not the best time to tell a knock-knock joke, but um producer who's running around crazy. But yeah, you know, it's great to have fun at work, right? I got invited to um vote this year for actor. So they have yeah, no, uh you get invited to vote as an act member, but um uh invited into the drama chapter. I think last year I was invited to vote in the um reality TV chapter where I was leaning towards the voice and Lego Masters as real standouts. Um and uh now more drama, so mini-series, um television drama and including uh best actor and supporting actor, along with uh best mini-series and best drama on TV, Baba. So um really cool. So I'm looking forward to I'm familiar with a lot of the programs that are nominated on the shortlist now. Okay. So now everyone's voted, whatever, you've got the shortlist. Okay, now people in each chapter vote for who they believe should be the winner.

SAM: 06:24
Very cool.

MAX: 06:25
So it's very much member oriented, and um I really enjoy participating last time. I mean, you're part of the industry, like why the hell not, right? And uh my voice counts too, um, although I wasn't involved in any of them uh being produced, but hey, you know, you've got to start somewhere. So at least I'm I'm being considered in the um uh industry affiliation to to help out. So it's good, and obviously there's still some. I was gonna say obviously there's not a lot on at cinema, but there's still some um there's still some on at the cinema which they invite you to to come and see a screening on.

Speaker 2: 06:58
Oh yeah.

MAX: 06:58
Um and that's kind of cool still, really trying. Some of them I've seen before, some on the home. This is like in general, like the movies that are nominated, that sort of thing, because I don't generally do dramas. Also, sometimes they sometimes they do. I remember I went to see Fred. Why did I buy a toy with a sound in it? says he you edits podcasts.

SAM: 07:18
But that Patricia Moore, remember that T mini TV series that I did extra roll on Patricia Moore was was uh part of the actor voting thing, whatever that like Aussie stuff. No, I don't think it was either, but um is that just every every Aussie production has an opportunity to be, yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

MAX: 07:35
And any Aussie is a part of a production, certainly. So um and once they're all listed, you can you don't have to watch everything, but you're able to on actor TV. Uh you might be familiar, you might have already seen stuff. Um but you know it's great to see as much as you think you need to to be able to to vote accordingly. Yeah. Uh I know I really enjoyed, I think it was last year or the year before, like I think it was last year where they had the most feature films, and I think it was like 35, 36, something like that. Which is huge. And most feature films. I I some of them I'd already seen at the cinema, you know, going to Q ⁇ A's and and premiums, that sort of stuff. Other times um you're invited to the actor cinema where you can go in and there's like different cinemas for different films, and some of them are introduced, some of them aren't. Some have QA's, some have free ice creams. Uh thanks, Sony, I think it was Universal. Uh yeah, I remember that. Yeah, yeah. But um, but look, you know, I I think it's it's just great to again, it's another way to be a part of the industry.

Speaker 2: 08:30
Yeah.

MAX: 08:31
Um, particularly at a time where we're also isolated. Um, it's great to still get out and about.

SAM: 08:44
And we should reach out to uh like theatres, because obviously there's not much going on now. Um and you know, once you go to a theatre, you get emails from them constantly, you know, you've subscribed. So if we asked them, they could promote to unemployed. They could indeed a bit.

MAX: 09:00
So I'm around the corner where I am now in Newtown. Around the corner is the new theatre, which I've been to see some fantastic productions. Um some amazing productions, and they're currently um showing Animal Farm, actually. So they've cool. Yeah. And I'm a member, so I get all the details. Someone's in there. There's a few people.

SAM: 09:18
That I know, no, that I know, I think. I forgot who it was. Anyway. Yeah, I forgot. But I saw it on this. It's a good idea.

MAX: 09:24
I think, especially the uppercoming theatres.

SAM: 09:26
Yeah. Well, you should leave your little hacky, hacky two unemployed actor card that like you leave it near the computer and it just like springs up and no one can undo it. It just plays us on repeat.

MAX: 09:36
That's so funny.

SAM: 09:38
That's how it works.

MAX: 09:39
Oh uh until you subscribe, you just keep hearing voices in your head. Exactly. And it's us.

SAM: 09:44
Um I had an audition today. Did you? Yes. I went to grants to do it, just me. So self-tape. Um, it's for a uh paid short film with a production company.

MAX: 09:56
Jeez, they're f just stop there. They're few and far between, aren't they? Paid short films. My god, they're all like for experience, you get a copy of your showreel, you know, you get a sandwich, maybe a drink if you've if you work hard enough.

SAM: 10:09
Exactly. But especially when it's not a student short film. Yes. It kind of usually is a bit paid, you know. Yep. Um so that's really cool. I think it's with uh Blue Sparrow Entertainment. Okay. Um, and it's called Tell My Father. Right. So it's it's it's about uh uh kind of the experience of a war veteran and how PTSD has an effect on on so many heavy stuff.

MAX: 10:39
I know, I think so. My god.

SAM: 10:40
But but we so I'm playing a young soldier that dies in the arms of this older sergeant, and then he relives it. Dripping with drama. Exactly. So today Grant and I filmed my death scene, which was Did you die in Grant's arms?

MAX: 10:56
No, it told me. Not even metaphorically speaking. Metaphorically speaking, 100% I die in Grant's arms. That's a tractor, coach, isn't it? I'm with you till the end. Come on, the last two percent.

SAM: 11:07
No, he's great. Like, honestly, um we went outside the backyard of his house and actually shot it like near a tree. I took my bloody singlet from three weeks in spring, that music was in and actually wore it.

MAX: 11:20
Well done. You see, I've had people look at my wardrobe and go, why? And I'm like, well, I'm an actor, it's this is great. Who knows? Um maybe I want to look like a middle-aged accountant with no.

SAM: 11:29
Well, also, I'm an actor, so whenever a costume party comes out, comes up, I'm always the one that's no.

MAX: 11:36
Just don't get dressed in a hurry in the dark or something, you know, and there you are, you know, just walking in somewhere with your bloody t-shirt underneath something.

SAM: 11:42
Literally every single costume party I've been to, which is mostly when I was younger anyway, yeah. I've gone full out. Like other people just put on a t-shirt and say they're like, I don't know, an inch turtle or something. And I'll come with full face and makeup. I went once full face and makeup and spray paint my hair green as the Joker. Full on. You can you gotta expect being a bit more.

MAX: 11:59
I'm the person with the t-shirt on going, look, I I get a participation ribbon, I'm there. But I still want to get into the bar later on.

SAM: 12:06
Yeah, I've started to to I not that I've been to many, but started to bring you there.

MAX: 12:12
Tone it down a little bit, yeah, wind back your enthusiasm somewhat. You don't want to be the only one who's really gone out like 100%.

SAM: 12:18
Any actor who has an opportunity to dress up, why not?

MAX: 12:21
True, I know. I mean, basically you're becoming a character and you've got an audience. So and alcohol's involved, which also improves every performance, really.

SAM: 12:29
Um but people think you look better than you are.

MAX: 12:33
Fortunately, haven't been too many of those.

SAM: 12:35
Um I want to go to more in my adult age.

MAX: 12:40
Party for one? Party for one, yeah.

SAM: 12:42
Just get dressed up, put on your dressed up, and just party my room. Yeah.

MAX: 12:46
Call it a podcast.

SAM: 12:47
Um important one. With a theme.

MAX: 12:51
It's a different character every week.

SAM: 12:53
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, we should do that.

MAX: 12:57
Life's not hard enough as it is. Let's get more homework to do.

SAM: 12:60
Yeah, yeah.

MAX: 13:01
I um I finally managed to. Christmas special is our dress up. Sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every year. I um we are going to go for many, many years. I I finally managed to unpack the script. How many years have you got left in you? Oh, at least another two or three summers before I start to forget my name. Uh but I I I finally managed to unpack the script and and go through the script and just it's amazing. This is for the play. Um yeah, I I've managed to forget a lot, which is great, because you're sort of coming at it again, fresh. Yeah, you forget again. It's relaxing, right? Thanks to COVID. I'm trying to put a positive spin on it, right? So I've kind of come fresh to it twice and making fresh notes twice. So that's kind of a good thing.

SAM: 13:43
Yeah.

MAX: 13:44
But I'll tell you what, if anyone forgets their lines, it's like you've had a year. Come on, you know.

SAM: 13:48
You've had nearly a year. But fair enough. I mean, when you're not rehearsing, no, I know.

MAX: 13:53
And it's such a physical comedy farce play, you know, to have so much time to look at it before you even stand up and rehearse with the cast. It's like it's tough. Yeah. Because in my mind, there's all these things I want to do. I just keep writing it down. So when's that being performed, did you say? I think late January, early February, TBC. Oh my god. Are you rehearsing over Christmas? In Sydney. We'll be rehearsing starting soon, yeah. So I think we'll stop. We'll stop for Santa.

SAM: 14:15
Because you started, you started a bit, right?

MAX: 14:16
Uh no. You hadn't started. I I personally have, as I'm sure other cast members have. I hope. I started before I even auditioned. That's the well actually the part I read for wasn't for Lip Steve. But uh anyway, when they've got when they've got eight plays to put on and you're auditioning with one piece, I think I used the odd couple as my because I knew comedy. Okay. And I thought I'd go with my strength and straight in, and they loved it, which was great, considering they'd just seen the odd couple at the ensemble theatre. Oh, brilliant. Okay. I did change a few words around, you know. Oh my god. Well, as a group, they saw the the two people who were auditioning me. Oh. And uh so they loved it still, because there's nothing worse than fresh in your mind is the full is the full performance, and somehow comes in and throws a few of the words around. But uh no, well, but uh they're like, um, great, I can see you. Uh well I they said, look, I can see you in this play lipstick, it's a lot of faster. And and for me, like a lot of younger cast members really suited towards their roles, it's just it's great. And then I'm uh in in no in certain terms, the straight guy, in terms of comedy, you know, you've always got a straight guy who's the one who's relatable to the audience, the audience can relate to, who walks into the chaos and kind of grounds everything. It makes the hilarity seem more funnier, and it sort of means it's a bit more real in a sense, and the audience can still buy into it. Because if there's fast non-stop and it's just crazy time, it can be a bit OTT, particularly with a one-act play. Over the top for those. Really got one over the top. But um, so looking forward to finally actually, yeah, doing a real rehearsal in the flesh with other people, humans, because you know, no offense, Fred. It's a play, right?

SAM: 15:54
Not a musical play.

MAX: 15:56
Uh it's a play, yes, pardon me. Do I say musical? No, no, no. Oh, good, because never. Uh once you heard me sing once, boy.

SAM: 16:02
There's non-singing roles in musical. Stay away from one single.

MAX: 16:04
I know I was in one. Or that was actually a play with songs. Yeah, yeah. So classic. Maybe they just said that to lure me in.

SAM: 16:10
I think the difference is non-diegetic and diegetic.

MAX: 16:13
I've got no idea what that means. It sounds important though. Is that from Star Trek? Is that a population on a planet, Dietics?

SAM: 16:20
I shouldn't notice. This is quite quite a film idea. No, it's not, it's very so it's so so in musicals, right? That characters don't know they're singing. Uh-huh. Which means it's non-diegetic, right?

MAX: 16:31
It's not actually in the plot within the So I'm on stage, I start singing, but it's not in the musical.

SAM: 16:37
No, no, okay. Okay. Let's go. In a film, in a film, for example. In a film, right? In a film, yes. You have post-production music over top to make it dramatic. That's non-digetic.

MAX: 16:48
Right.

SAM: 16:49
Right? I think it's not.

MAX: 16:50
Diegetic is when they're actually singing and performing and it's being recorded.

SAM: 16:53
Or or a radio is playing music in the characters and listening to the radio.

MAX: 16:56
Right, so it's it's it's in they're they're related to the song. They're relating to it, whether they're performing it or listening to it, interacting to it. Whatever, yeah, they're actively engaging with it. Exactly. Boom. Gotcha.

SAM: 17:09
So I feel like ready for musicals now.

MAX: 17:11
It's diegetic.

SAM: 17:15
Yeah, so uh non-digetic sound is any sound in a film that doesn't originate from the world of the film. Oh, gotcha. So like I feel like musicals. Well, is that the difference between a musical and a play with music? I've never been in a play with music. Well, I kind of, yes, I have.

MAX: 17:30
I I I'm pretty certain it was written as a musical, and there are songs galore. And uh um I did mime for the last song where we're all together, you know, it's the happy. Oh, it's not a solo, you weren't just mime. It kind of jumped around a bit though, like it was because the one like I'm a farmer, my wife's died, my eldest son's helped me on the farm, my other son's about to nick off and go to the city, and the daughter's having a breakdown or something, like it's just drama on drama on drama on drama, and there's a drought.

SAM: 18:02
How is that? How is that?

MAX: 18:03
Like, come on, and so and then there's a moment where I've got a gun and I'm talking about you know how heavy life is, and then it kind of jumped really quickly to yay, we're all gonna stay in. But look, I wasn't singing, that was a disclaimer because I remember someone pulled out for the wrong reasons, as sometimes can happen with um you know different theatre productions, and it it was gonna stop. And the kids have been singing since like April, and it was like nine months later, so it's like Max, can we just parachute you in for the last four weeks of rehearsals and you'll be good to go? And it's kind of a crucial role because like you're playing the father, it's about the father who's you know hard times and how it sort of turns around. Oh yeah, and small town versus big city and all the sort of stereotypes that were touched on, all the caricatures of farmers and things. Um but it was yeah, it it was intense trying to get into that. Oh yeah. And for the few like getting to that headset, headset, get into the mindset.

SAM: 19:02
Voice over voice over mind.

MAX: 19:04
But getting into that mindset was a challenge for some of the performances because it goes really dark all all of a sudden. It sort of builds up to going really dark, but then it goes light pretty quickly. So it's yeah, it's a mindset.

SAM: 19:14
How was that farmer thing that you read the child role for? Do you remember that?

MAX: 19:19
Yes, the one where I accidentally read for uh as the child.

SAM: 19:23
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

MAX: 19:24
For those of you who didn't tune in a couple episodes ago, I got another none of you, obviously. I got a I got a note from the agent going, can you please uh to to a few of us, uh please, you know, download and look at your your your slides and get them back ASAP for the director. He's to straight to the director's email. So, okay, no worries, and copy, copy them in. So I downloaded, I printed off two scripts, picked up the first one, going, Oh, this is interesting, this is really cool. I can make this work. Oh, it's a challenge. No, I can make it work, make it work. Roped in Emma to to help me with the read. Even she's like, hmm, interesting. Interesting choice for you. Wouldn't it and I made it work. But basically it was the two teenagers. She was the reader. So it was basically two teenagers having a conversation as teenagers do, and I'm not, so it just but as the director acknowledged when she picked me up on my slight error, you know, details.

SAM: 20:14
Slight error.

MAX: 20:14
Said, uh, you made it work. To which I replied, I can make anything work. Um, I promise I'll read the right script next time. And uh and Julie did, and was more relatable. Yeah, the right script. Um sent that off because she said, Yeah, the producers of America want you to read for the farmer, so please read it. And it's like the third time she's told me, so like, okay, got it. I will read for the farmer now.

SAM: 20:36
But you didn't hear that.

MAX: 20:37
Uh no. So up in here, who knows? I mean, these things, you know, they tap you on the shoulder in a few weeks' time.

SAM: 20:41
Maybe they're like, we wish we he could be the child.

MAX: 20:44
Yeah, we've got to rewrite it now around him.

SAM: 20:46
Yeah, so it's taking a while.

MAX: 20:47
You know, having it having an immature male being transported into his body. Yep. So basically, me just being me, really. That'd be great. Easiest job ever.

SAM: 20:56
It's so easy. What is that?

MAX: 20:58
This is this is the inner west, mate. Um planes in the inner west. What a plane. You don't have that over where are you, Rose Bay, Vaucluse, whatever. Because the, you know, too many people who own the airlines will complain. Like the lower north shore. You can see the planes, you can't hear them. Yeah. When you look out over the harbour, as I used to, and I missed that view. You can see them flying past the city, but you can't hear them. You hear a lot of seaplanes. Oh, yes. You know that used to be the International Airport for Sydney back in the day?

SAM: 21:28
Because only there were only seaplanes. Yeah. Crazy was hanging out the other day, actually.

MAX: 21:32
Crazy talk. Well, there you go. He was probably there. I I was too young.

SAM: 21:36
Uh yeah, yeah, they were like they were like big seaplanes and they had like bars and stuff, and apparently the like ticket price was like your annual income.

MAX: 21:46
It was pretty like back in the days where flying was amazing, you know, everything was like first class and over the top.

SAM: 21:50
Yeah, average income, sorry, not annual.

MAX: 21:51
Now it's like getting on a bus, although I miss it. I miss it. Um but yes, no, in the West, there's a I have to with voiceovers, with voiceovers, I have to only every now and then. Do I have to pause because it's a bit noisy? But I they sort of fly over the front of the house. When I say over, I mean I can see them, they're not over the top because I'd know. But then I'm I'm offices at the back where I do voiceovers. So it really doesn't bother me. And there's no road there. Because it's um double brick, old school, proper build, um, it's very well insulated. And when I'm at the other end, I can't I can't hear a thing. And the street's not very busy out front, which is great, but I'm overlooking the alleyway, which is the back of the shops on King Street, and um uh it like so there's no traffic, there's no sound, it's perfect. It's great. It's beautiful. It's a beautiful story for voiceover people.

SAM: 22:45
I wanted to ask you a quick question. You know the you know uh Didi commercial? You know Didi, that drive. Do you watch a lot on YouTube?

MAX: 22:53
No.

SAM: 22:54
Okay, have you ever heard the what's a DD?

MAX: 22:56
You know, like is it an endangered?

SAM: 22:58
It's like an like another Uber Uber. Oh yes, yeah, switch to DD.

MAX: 23:02
Someone cut me off the other day and on the back it had Uber D D. I thought it was just a special Uber.

SAM: 23:06
Well if you haven't heard it, you haven't heard it. But like the quality of the voiceover it's like switch to D today sounds like it was recorded with an iPhone. Sounds awful. And I want to ask you if that's just some voices.com thing or meant to do that.

MAX: 23:20
If you go to Fiverr and pay five bucks for a fucking voiceover versus proper industry rates, that is the difference. Someone's gonna have full equipment and it's to be properly. Why and they're gonna have experience.

SAM: 23:33
Why DD would do that? They're a company.

MAX: 23:35
Budget, who knows? Who knows? Maybe it was a last minute thing, they did something really quick. It could be that they just needed something fast. Like I've done work for Visa, for Microsoft, people who go through big agencies who then outsource to other agencies, who then outsourced to blah blah blah. You know, audio engineers who then and the last thing to do is to tap uh tap the talent on the shoulder.

Speaker 2: 23:52
Yeah.

MAX: 23:53
Um, because they just need a quick turnaround. They need a professional voice, quick turnaround. They don't want to pay an engineer, go to a studio. They don't have time, even if they can't afford it.

SAM: 24:00
Zero time.

MAX: 24:01
And even with the big companies, you've got a budget and you can't go over that budget, and different campaigns make up that budget. So you've got to work with what you got.

SAM: 24:10
Fair enough.

MAX: 24:11
You get what you get, and you don't get up. Um you just work harder for a bigger budget next year.

SAM: 24:17
Fair enough.

MAX: 24:18
That's my corporate self, talking to my voiceover self.

SAM: 24:20
It's good you're in corporate because uh acting's a lot of business.

MAX: 24:23
It is, and it's funny too, on set on commercials where you see the agency people turn up, you know, and the and the and the category managers and the and the marketers turn up, you know, they're they're fuck all really. And give a couple of uh pieces of feedback, but not really, you know what I mean? Like the muffins and coffee, and I'm out of the office for the day.

Speaker 2: 24:42
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

MAX: 24:43
Um yeah, there's been an occasion where the uh marketer was like right in front of the monitor and giving feedback to direct food, like oh he's yeah, it sounds like he's yelling the line. Can we dial that back? That sort of stuff. There's a bit of that, but rarely. Most of the time, the people who know what they're doing are in charge. Exactly.

SAM: 25:01
You hire those people to do that.

MAX: 25:02
Those get shit done. Uh looking forward to doing more voiceovers this week and um really focusing on getting into that script for the play. And um beautiful. Hopefully, you know, some of these auditions pay off. There's been a bit of a gap now. It's been a month and a half since I've been on set or something. So it's time. Oh yes, that's what's coming up. Speaking of being on set, next Tuesday I am uh selling wine. Remember that wine? I remember. So presenting to camera, co-presenting, I should say, pardon me, uh to Kirsty or Christy, I haven't met her yet. Uh but uh we co-presenting to camera these various wines. It'll be like the generic intro, outro sort of thing. It's pilot, but uh then it'll be like once a month you come in for the day and record all the bits and pieces that we're gonna do. Yeah, that's right, it's a recurring thing, it's yeah, and then a week after that uh on set finally for this hospital deal, like they've been talking about it forever. Where I'm pretending to be a Victorian hospitality worker talking about how hard we work. Um, it just gets the clients just sort of pushing it around a bit. So it's locked in, but it's like not yet locked in as to which day. Okay. So there's a few things, a few opportunities floating around. Okay. But um, I'll just stick to what I do with voiceovers every day, all that sort of stuff. Beautiful. Keeping it real, feeding Fred, you know, all the basics, unpacking still.

SAM: 26:24
Fred Wired. Yeah.

MAX: 26:26
How about you?

SAM: 26:27
Yeah, just sticking with life, auditioning. I'm going back to work tomorrow. Canteen once.

MAX: 26:32
Oh, the um canteen. Canteen, but yeah, the kids are back.

SAM: 26:35
The kids are back.

MAX: 26:36
Load up the canteen with sugar.

SAM: 26:38
Yeah, um, and gymming and just everything else in between. Okay. Yeah. And more grant, more sessions with your rehearsals for spring awakening and when's that?

MAX: 26:48
When's that coming up?

SAM: 26:49
It's meant to be December. Sometimes it's been pushed back again.

MAX: 26:52
Well, I think they've just increased the ability for venues to have up to 50% capacity, which is great.

SAM: 26:58
I know, we're trying to figure that out because it a lot of theatres still are a bit like they can't really say no then. Well, it's weird.

MAX: 27:04
I mean, it it's all the what they might be worried about is committing and then you know and then there's another outbreak. But I mean, you can't keep planning for the next outbreak. You've got to keep moving forward. You've got to be in the present. Particularly in the out and look, Kudos took us to the new theatre around the corner who've already got and got great reviews already for Animal Farm. New theatre, yeah. So um that you know, it can happen. Just get out there and do it. You can't wait for everyone to be 100% well or a vaccine, which might not even be for another year.

Speaker 2: 27:30
Yeah.

MAX: 27:31
Forget that. And then when they find it, they've got to get it to you. Yeah. I'll have 100 million of those, please. What do you mean they're not in stock? You've been listening to Max.

SAM: 27:41
What?

MAX: 27:42
You've been listening to Sam. Two unemployed actors. You've been listening to two unemployed actors? How many times have I been doing that? And I still fifty five. Fifty-five times, literally. You've been listening to two unemployed actors. I'm Max. I'm Sam. And we'll be back next week. See ya.