How to Find More Acting Gigs (Without Relying on Your Agent) | Ep 59

MAX: 00:12
Welcome back to Two Unemployed Actors. I'm Max. I'm Sam. Huge show today. I'm gonna take you behind the scenes on my car sales project. We're to drive around while I've been filming. Uh Sam's got an update and lots more. Shout out to listeners in Scarsdale, New York, and Terry Gindy in Queensland. Very cool. Going remote and regional. Hello guys. Uh so do you remember I did that pedley audition a while ago? And um I had I had Fred in on it, where I had to be that guy that's shouting, and Fred was in there. And uh he recommended me and blah blah blah. So that was the guy who put the job up for the production company that did the uh MG car sales bit. So the story is basically MG uh launching the new car and wanted a uh to sponsor a part of the car sales website, which is the biggest website for car sales Australia, and um hence getting a lot of footage and interviews with people. Uh I was one of three. Um and I thought it's something different because I haven't done filming while driving before.

SAM: 01:17
How was it?

MAX: 01:18
Different. First of all, you feel the pressure, like because I'm just concentrate on the driving, but well, day day one actually was really cool because I was a third cave off the ranks, so that had the second guy was still there, he was wrapping up, running a bit late, as they do. Um, but there was a hard finish because it's at carriage works in Sydney, so a big studio space, and it had to be a hard close at 5 30. So we need to start packing up at five, and I was there at like 2 30 and the time clock was ticking. So um that basically there was someone who was being a presenter, and her role, another actor, her role was to interview inverted commas. So it's basically like here's a sheet of the the the pluses and minuses or the the not plus minus there were no minuses, uh the the the the features of the car is what I'm trying to say. Yep, and but I'm sitting there while I'm waiting, I just googled the car. So I'm looking and I'm looking at videos and because I'm a visual person, you know, here's blah blah blah. What car was it? It was the MG Z S T. It's actually alright, actually. I quite like it. I know, but I quite liked it. It looked, and it was in bright blue. I don't know about the colour. Um, loved aloe wheels, two-tone aloe wheels with the red brake calipers. It looked quite good. Um, fun to drive, and uh I'll get to the driving bit, but day one, so the first day, yeah. So I just Googled bits and pieces, and then I thought I'll just do a fluid sort of intro, pretend to be a dad, you know, great for weekend getaways and stuff. Nice. So yeah, uh no. Because what I found what I found interesting was the presenter, she's like, she was a bit flustered, and she sat down, she's like, Look, um, we're just gonna start by walk around, we're gonna introduce you. So, what do you do for a living? I said, Well, I'm an actor. She's like, Yeah, we'll come up with something like a sales guy or something, whatever, and you've got to find her. I'm like, okay, all right. So she's telling me what's going on.

SAM: 03:05
So she's a fake pr fake presentation. She's the actor, actor presenting. Yeah, yeah, okay.

MAX: 03:09
So her role was to play the part of an interviewer, um, interviewing myself and the other two people. Yep. And she's given me lots of detail, like, um, here's the sheet, like, study this, you know, you've got to have a few key points. Some of them have already been used, um, and really focus on trying to be natural. I'm like, she's telling me how to present. Like, I know what I'm, you know, I'm looking I was being friend, oh no, yep, yep, yep. But obviously something had happened because she seemed flustered, so I just I just didn't say anything. I'm just like, yep, yep, yep, yep, no worries, because I kind of knew what I was doing. And then we we get there, and uh okay, we're all set up for the shot. And literally, this is in the sound stage, so we're just walking around the car. Hi, hi, hi, good, you know, and I'm already positioning myself to favour the camera. I'm looking at the car, I'm smiling, I'm doing all those things while coming up with the story of yeah, I'm working sales and I'm looking for a new car because and all this sort of stuff. And then um, I'm trying to make it more dynamic, so like I'm touching the car a bit, and I'm like, Oh, I love the aloe wheels, I'm doing the big pointing thing, whatever. The camera guys love it. So then it was a cut, it's like, oh my god, we just got it all. We just got what we needed. Now we can do the interior. I'm like, it's like they just couldn't they're like, what? Because and then I got it. So the other two needed a lot of direction. So is she the director as well?

SAM: 04:19
The presenter.

MAX: 04:22
What happened was I know what happened was the first person basically stood there and said, Well, but but but what do you want me to say?

SAM: 04:30
So there was a lot of like you just fair to be fair, because you've presented before, you do so if you do all that stuff for other actors, yeah. Like they probably weren't expecting tonight.

MAX: 04:39
No, it's like what what do I what do I do? So you've got to say this, this about the car, okay, and I'll say it, but then technically it won't be right, it won't be looking the right way, or whatever they have to do again, again, again, again. So that was where her frustration was coming from. So it to her credit, she was trying to make it go smoother by trying to help me ease into what she's seeing people fall over on. Yeah. So I kind of got through that that tension, and then they're all going, Great, we got it in one, like just okay, moving on. Like, let's, you know, so they're catching up on time, they're happy. And then we do the interior, and I'm like, I'm gonna okay, I'm gonna open the door, I'm gonna put the window down so that I can sort of lean on the door and do a bit of like because I'm interacting a bit, like other than just standing there talking at the fucking car at the car. I'm actually, you know, I like it, look, it does this, it's really cool. I can do blah blah. And um, so yeah, they're happy with that. And so it progressed really well. So I guess, yeah, the ex you're right, the experience of being thrown in the deep end, and you've got to do this, this is the product, these are the features, okay, and go and action. Yeah, so and to be able to be comfortable with that pressure helps. Yeah. But um, I took the fun bit though, on the same day, we're still in the soundstage, they put up the drone. Oh, cool, and I had to floor it and then do fast turns and then floor. I suppose I'm having a great time. Because to be honest, the best cars in the world to drive are ones that don't belong to you, right? Yeah, yeah, you said that. And I'm doing my best to, you know, and it was fun, it was fun to drive, which is great. That's good. Uh so yeah, follow the drone and then floor it and then do a few of those. It was great. And we finished ahead of time, which is wonderful. The second day, they're like, Um, when when are you when are you available? What when would you like to come? So I appreciated having first pick. I said, look, we can do it first thing in the morning because I did have an appointment early afternoon, unrelated. And he's like, Okay, we'll come in at nine and we'll we'll kick off with you. So brilliant, no worries. So I turned up, the second day is all on location stuff, so that's where it got a bit difficult. Like I had to make sure I positioned the car right. So I had the earpiece in so I could communicate with the camera car. And then it's like, okay, we want you to accelerate now within the speed limit, being all the road rules.

SAM: 06:40
So this was an MG ad.

MAX: 06:42
Yeah, yeah, for car sales. So it's gonna be online about different people interviewing and interacting with cars with the right fit, and yeah, and I think so so it was really cool, fun, and and and shooting around the camera car and that. Like I soon got the hang of it. We went down to Laprous, which is south of Sydney near the airport for those that aren't in Australia, and uh beautiful picture perfect day. Like it was blue skies, great backdrop, and what do you know? There's a car space right with that as a backdrop. So literally you've got two cars that are kind of new-ish, because they didn't want they got heard me filming before when I was doing the parallel parking, it was some old car, and they'd like, oh, we wanted the shot to look better, aesthetics. So that you can't get better than that, right? You've got two cars, car space, ocean as a backdrop, blue skies, it was perfect. So I've I by that stage I parallel parked the car several times, and um, so they're stopping traffic, stopping pedestrians, cameras on, set, okay, action, and there's Maxie and he and he fucked up the park. Oh no, first go in front of everyone, like I've hit the curb.

SAM: 07:45
Oh no.

MAX: 07:46
So I'm like, okay, just kind of laughter all around. So I appreciate that. Thanks, guys. And back to I got it the second time, mind you, but it's like, you know, yeah, yeah, you didn't know. Of all things that could go wrong, you know. It was that it was yeah, so anyway, and then they had the cameras um set up in the car as well, then to then film me interacting and talking about the highlights to those like three cameras glued to the car. Uh, I did forget one was affixed to the windscreen and also the side window, and I went to get some air in and move the camera quite considerably and quickly move the window back up again. No need to tell anyone, that was fine. It's back in the same position.

SAM: 08:24
A couple of missteps. Hopefully, no one was watching the monitoring.

MAX: 08:27
I'll watch that back and go, oh, that's interesting.

SAM: 08:29
Oh, something happened.

MAX: 08:31
Max is sliding down. So it was it was good fun. I really enjoyed it. Anyway, they kept me till um three, had to cancel my appointment because they basically wanted to get all the external shots they could with me.

Speaker 2: 08:40
Okay.

MAX: 08:41
Uh being the guy who was easier to work with. So, I mean, same rate for whatever. But yeah, so I was really excited, and then out of that was the guy I mentioned last week who said, Oh, you know, have do you do voiceovers as well? Great, can I have your card? Sort of thing. So um, yeah, I was I was really happy because I nailed the audition with him for Pedley and he recommended me, even though the client went with someone older. Yep, there are people older than me. And played in mine, and then uh and then he selected me for the role. Um, it was and it was an audition over Zoom, so it's like, tell me about your car. And I said, I'm my Land Rover Discovery Sport. Um, you know, it's it's great, it's great fun to drive. If I actually did take it off-road, this is what I told you. They did take it off-road. I went and did the Land Rover course where you've got it was included in the car. You know, you get to go off-road with the instructors, and I'm looking at a hill that I wouldn't even walk up. I'm like, this is not. And the car is just fine. And I'm doing it with climate control, air conditioned seats. It was felt un Australian. Sitting there in comfort going up a mountain.

Speaker 2: 09:38
It's getting a cruise control. Can you believe it?

MAX: 09:40
So he's laughing, he's going, Great, that's perfect. Send it to the because they're looking for someone who can present well and and be kind of dynamic in their storytelling, and you know what I mean. Yeah, right. So, um, so that worked quite well. So I was really happy. So I got a couple of jobs through the right fit already. I've been on it for a month. However, I did send them a note because there's a couple of jobs I actually saw that in one case it was the same as the star as Star Now, so they posted on both, and I applied through Star Now because I couldn't apply through the right fit, and I'll tell you why. Because I actually um play, I know this is hard for you to believe being 44 years old, but in the 30s.

Speaker 2: 10:18
Oh yeah.

MAX: 10:19
So I kind of say 35 to 45, but like you know, as you know in acting, it doesn't matter how old you actually are, it's how you look is the case. It's how you look. It's how old you look. Yeah. So with the right fit, I can only apply for roles that that include the age of 44, my actual age. Yeah. So if they say 30s to 40s, I'm out.

SAM: 10:38
Yeah.

MAX: 10:39
So Yeah, Starna doesn't have that reason. Late late 30s, early 40s, I'm out. I can't I can't do it. So I sent them a note.

SAM: 10:45
Because I went on right, I I'm on right fit. I joined it. Uh, do you have all your like do you have footage up there? Or like yeah, I gotta put footage up because there's not much for it.

MAX: 10:52
Because I had to redo I had to redo all my footage recently with all the stuff I've been doing. So while I edited one platform on the Casting Networks and Showcast the priority right, yeah, right, because the agent sends work through that, but uh I thought, oh what the hell I'll update all of them. So, you know, Idb, Star Now, RightFit.

SAM: 11:09
Well I I have almost like zero zero jobs for my age in on RightFit at the moment.

MAX: 11:14
It it's kind of not much. No, I know, it's kind of interesting.

SAM: 11:17
There's like 20 jobs overall and then cut it down to you know.

MAX: 11:20
Yeah, um none in my case where because of the age issue. Okay, so I emailed the Right Fit and said, look, hi, put start. As a 44-year-old actor, I get cast mainly for roles in my 30s. Unfortunately, the right fit on the right fit, I can only apply for roles that are for my age, my actual age of 44. Is there an opportunity to change this? I get most of my work through Star Now as a result of this. So there's a GR up to the end to try and, you know, hey, hey, hey, let's end it. Um Hi Max, our client said it's a brief, not us. Our system will not allow you to apply for jobs if you don't meet the requirements.

SAM: 11:57
That's what the case is. But I'm like, but I'm like, that's not that's what you said. That's not the point.

MAX: 12:02
Yeah, and so I said hi Rhea, thanks for your response. It's not the brief that's the problem. If they're looking for talent 30 to 40, then they're looking for talent that looks 30 to 40. So it's the platform settings that are the issue. My agent, because I thought I'd have an example, my agent submits me for the 35-45 age range, and I work regularly in this range, but cannot on your platform. Is this able to change? Like, I'm not being nasty.

SAM: 12:27
No, no, it's good. Oh, here we go.

MAX: 12:29
Hi Max, when the client posts a job, they set the age range on the system, e.g. 30 to 45. If your age doesn't fall on that range, you won't be able to apply as the system won't allow you. Yes. If that makes sense.

SAM: 12:39
That's what you're saying. It does make sense, but I'm just that's not like that's the point.

MAX: 12:43
So I actually responded with, yeah, it makes sense. But that's the problem. The talent missing out on work when they're getting work within a 10-year age range is an actor. So I just put up IMDB and Star Now are two examples where actors' working age range is considered in brackets, which is what the clients are looking for, rather than their actual age. I'm like, feel free, because they want to keep playing email tag. Like, feel free to check those platforms out, as it'd be great for your platform to offer the same option. Like, I mean, come on. Like, I'm not being difficult.

SAM: 13:13
She hasn't applied to that yet.

MAX: 13:14
No, I'm not expecting a response. I'm not expecting a response. When did you send it? Uh yeah, uh two days ago. Yeah. So I mean, basically she just didn't get it. No, I I mean I think basically their customer service.

SAM: 13:27
You weren't being like, I don't understand why, kind of like you're saying I understand fix it.

MAX: 13:31
Here's an opportunity for you to make more commission through more people getting work on your platform. Yeah. It's not a complicated scenario. But I guess their customer service is all geared around those sorts of responses, not so much oh thanks, I'll take that advice to our technical team and we can see if we need to change it or something. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's just square peg must fit in, square hole, don't be round.

SAM: 13:53
Yeah. Yep. It's a good analogy.

MAX: 13:55
So it's just, you know, it's like, okay, fine. I tried. I was very tried. So having said that, I've been on that platform for a month and a half. No, having said that, I've been on that platform for a month and a half, and I've got two jobs from my two decent chunky ones. So I can't I can't complain. In fact, out of the MITA 10 one that I got, the first one on Thrive Fit, I just got contacted a couple of days ago, actually yesterday, saying uh from the director who took my card saying, Oh great, you do voiceovers. I've got a voiceover for you. So brilliant. I know, right? So get work but gets more work at times if you turn up on time and do your shit.

SAM: 14:33
Brilliant.

MAX: 14:34
So that's my story. I was quite quite happy with that. That's a good one. It's been productive.

SAM: 14:38
So yeah.

MAX: 14:39
Tell me about your performance.

SAM: 14:45
All done, wrapped up. That was quick. Ten months leading up to that.

MAX: 14:48
Oh, that's right, because it's like you get me every time I'm like ten months rehearsals.

SAM: 14:52
I know, and but we got very close to the cast. Like we got close together, and um, which is really, really nice. Uh and it was great.

MAX: 15:00
It's good when you when you get on well. Yeah, exactly.

SAM: 15:03
Oh, and this was probably one of the closest I'd ever been to a cast. Like it was brilliant. That's great. And I'm going through some post-show withdrawals, but that's okay. Miss them very much, but that's all right.

MAX: 15:14
Um just have to set up lights at home shining on you just to get that feeling back, you know. You have to get it back. Singing in random places, like in the middle of a shopping center and that, you know. Don't you know me? I'm in a musical.

SAM: 15:24
But it was it was a great show, and like knowing the content that I had to do, I don't so I've spoken about songs where there was a lot of. Yeah, but I had to do a wank scene on stage.

MAX: 15:34
Oh, that's right. You were gratifying yourself. Exactly.

SAM: 15:38
And I had to kiss a guy for the first time on stage as well. Um, all that stuff. Um, considering all that, it was probably one of the easiest roles I've ever played. Why is that? So I was I wasn't lead, but I wasn't like nothing. So I was in between, I was like supporting kind of that's like my role in lipstick, yeah. I hear you. Yeah, and it and so hence I didn't have that many solo songs, which makes it a lot easier. But also I played a sociopath. So my So it's close to your real life. Exactly. So my yeah, exactly. So my emotional journey was qu quite m I don't know, the right neutral. Like I mean, I didn't have to show too much emotion, which I guess made a bit easier on me as well. Um I don't know, it was just once I got on and like for example for the Wank sequence, I felt like I was controlling the room, you know. The audience is the one that feels the most awkward. I was just like, yep, now I'm in I'm out, like I'm the character now, and it was kind of like that. So it was quite like for me, it was quite relaxed of a role, and I really enjoyed that.

MAX: 16:42
And do you think the length of time leading up to it helped in a way?

SAM: 16:47
Possibly. I think also like the closeness that we got together, that we the closeness that we were to each other in the cast. So the relationship the strong relationships you felt. You got comfortable with each other, and that's good. The funny thing is though, like considering so much I I don't actually understand why it felt so nice and relaxed for me either in in some aspects, because we had an audience of 20 per show because of COVID, and such an intimate space. I could see every audience member. Yeah, yeah. Um I kind of loved that for some shows. Well, wow. That was my direct d direction. Did you is it one where you sort of break the fourth wall and interact a bit or not not interact to that extent, but like when I'm wanking, look at them directly in the eyes, maybe wink or laugh.

MAX: 17:30
Right.

SAM: 17:30
Very awkward for them.

MAX: 17:31
That would make them very uncomfortable. It's a very it's a particularly if your family members are there. Yeah, I told them not to come.

SAM: 17:36
And you know how they didn't come to this one.

MAX: 17:40
This is one production I do not want you to support.

SAM: 17:48
Yeah, I still am like, oh, have they got tickets? Where are they gonna park? I have to make sure they get in, don't be late, but if they're not coming, yeah, exactly.

MAX: 17:56
I just say I'm a diva, I'm in character from the moment I get up. Fuck you. It's up to you to get there on time.

SAM: 18:01
It's a different experience, not having my my family there or coming to this show, and that was kind of cool. That's good. To be honest. That's good. Um, but they were very supportive anyway, and they can watch it online because we were watching it. Which I don't know about. But um that was cool. Okay. Uh also I uh Jess and I both auditioned for a feature film. Is this the horror? No, so we didn't get that one. Okay. So that was great. But we got a callback for that, which is a great achievement. Um but we no another feature film shooting in Newcastle Aussie One about coming of age story of like kids who have finished HSC and then their relationships get uh get challenged. Yeah. Because there's so much change at that time, isn't there? Yeah, exactly. And that so that's about that, and we auditioned, I got offered it, so I got a yeah, it was a Zoom audition, and I got offered the role that day. Um there was meant to be a callback. Obviously, you made an impression. Yeah, and Jess got a callback for her role and got offered it on the spot. Oh, brilliant. So both got it. Very, very, very exciting. That's great.

MAX: 19:00
So you actually get to work together again. It's amazing. So the last time you got to work together was when she was was she crew when you were doing No, no, we so she was in Spring Awakening as well.

SAM: 19:08
Oh she was in Spring Awakening. So there's heaps of stuff we work together on, which is really, really, really cool. That's great.

MAX: 19:13
Yeah, I it certainly makes you able to rehearse a bit. It's great that we can share an industry, and I think that's really cool. It is, that's awesome.

SAM: 19:19
Yeah, so I'm excited for that.

MAX: 19:21
Um When's that uh filming next year?

SAM: 19:24
Yes, so January to probably Marchish, but like five days per week in like little blocks.

MAX: 19:30
And is that Newcastle, Newcastle Sydney? Newcastle Newcastle, okay.

SAM: 19:34
Newcastle, exactly.

MAX: 19:34
Okay.

SAM: 19:35
Um so that's really cool. And I figured out that uh two of the other guys who are the so I'm one of the main guys, two of the other main guys are represented by Mark as well. No. Or all together.

MAX: 19:46
Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, it's interesting, right? Is he producing it or something?

SAM: 19:50
Or no, yeah.

MAX: 19:51
I I mean we gotta tell him, but um That's right, because you get a directory star now, and then it's gonna find it.

SAM: 19:56
It's interesting though, like that's crazy. There's that many agents out there, and there's three of us in this cast represented by the same one.

MAX: 20:03
But good on you. He's obviously representing people who like what we say on the show that, and they get up off their ass and go out there and make shit happen.

SAM: 20:11
Yeah, and uh one of the guys I've seen around it auditions that Marcus sent us to. So that's been really cool.

MAX: 20:17
In fact, on that point, at re at rehearsals, last rehearsal for Lipstick, uh, something came up about someone who was complaining about oh, you know, this new age of diversity and you know, being a middle-aged man, blah blah and you know, white guy, you know, I can't get any work and sort of stuff. I'm like, I'm like, I've had my busiest year of acting this year. Yeah, no, no. And you can't get much more conservative than me being middle-aged white guy three years, three years out of corporate of 20 years, like come on. And it's like it's you just gotta get up and get out there. Yeah, still stuff. And and fortunately, touch wood, not as bad as industries in other countries, but but uh you've just gotta get off your butt and not rely on your agent and get out there and make stuff happen.

SAM: 20:59
Yeah, 100%. And speaking of making stuff happen, wait, no, I'll lead on to that. Okay, let's do another one. Um, so I so I had my birthday recently and I was very spoiled. Happy 21st. Happy 21st. Wow. Yeah, I'm 21.

MAX: 21:15
I'm like, you'll have to start acting as an adult soon.

SAM: 21:19
No, it's okay. I'll come. And I've heard you. So then my parents got me a camera, which is really cool. Like a DSLR. Oh wow. Um, so I'm very excited, and I've used it for the first time in a self-tape, and it looks freaking awesome. Isn't it amazing? Quality makes a difference.

MAX: 21:33
Absolutely. As much as phones are great, and I've got a rig for my phone for doing something quick, when you've got a dedicated piece of technical equipment, like we're talking through proper microphones to a deck, like it does make it easier in the edit because you don't do it enhanced sound.

SAM: 21:47
If you edit it well and you record it well and it's good quality, I think it makes a difference for the audition as well.

MAX: 21:51
And it's and it's not that time consuming to use dedicated equipment really.

SAM: 21:56
Yeah, of course. And so I auditioned for a a a skin commercial. Uh QV.

MAX: 22:02
So you submitted your skin in high definition?

SAM: 22:04
I did indeed. They actually wanted to see all the floors and all the little things. And it was for chicken and chips. So I love those two. Yeah, so hopefully fingers crossed for that one. Yeah. But I'm planning on doing a bit of stuff behind the camera. I want to make some cool videos, some b-roll stuff. What? Um what is this you talk of that's not in front of camera on stage? But I'm so excited, like I've got ideas. I wrote them down. Yeah, yeah. I'm so excited.

MAX: 22:29
That's good, so you fully immersed in the creative mindset.

SAM: 22:32
Oh, I once I hook onto an idea that I think it's freaking awesome, I get inspired. That's great, and that energy just could be. It could be anything. Definitely not for me, but just to get the juices flowing and then just like Jess was trying to talk to me this morning. Yeah. I'm looking at her. Like it looks like I'm listening, but in my head, I'm going over ideas and shots and stuff.

MAX: 22:51
That that's that's what got me through 20 years of corporate, that face that says I'm really listening to you, but I'm not. Yeah. When you're going to a meeting and it's a long meeting, you always face the window, so at least you've got something to look at. Oh, that's a good tip. Anyway, 50 or something. Fun times when did I start my corporate life? Well, as a teenager, I was part-time for Arnits as a rep going to service stations. They call the route chain.

SAM: 23:18
You're 20 years, you said, so whenever you started.

MAX: 23:21
That's a long time. Yeah, okay, all right.

unknown: 23:22
That's a long time.

SAM: 23:23
That's like my a that's like my age.

MAX: 23:26
Anywhere but the right fit, I can I can still play 30s.

SAM: 23:30
Anywhere but the right fit, yeah.

MAX: 23:32
Stop trying to make me old, right fit.

SAM: 23:33
So right fit actually allows you to do this, they just see you and they're like, nah.

MAX: 23:37
Like this doesn't matter. Oh, it's Max again.

SAM: 23:39
Yeah.

MAX: 23:40
Stop trying to be less than 50. Come on, old man. Come on.

SAM: 23:43
I can see you as in as a late 30s.

MAX: 23:46
Well, I I've just yeah, I mean, like the corporate stuff is kind of cut and paste, it's like, you know, clean shaven, whatever, and you go. And then, well, Trady was early 30s that role that played Trady, but I mean, with I suppose with the beard you couldn't see in the wicked 30s. Yeah, with the beard, yeah. And the safe and the safety goggles and the hat and the earpieces. You really couldn't see them because in my mid 40s.

SAM: 24:08
That's hilarious. Yeah, my age range I've I've put as well. I'm considering 16. I reckon I could play 16 if I should remember. Well, you're very immature, so it's perfect. So 16 to 23.

MAX: 24:18
Yeah, okay, it's good.

SAM: 24:20
Um, yeah, and I think the young stuff's good because you know you they they prefer that stuff.

MAX: 24:25
And you've got the life experience, your life experience to bring it to life too, these emotions. Life experience, oh my god.

SAM: 24:30
I used to be 16.

MAX: 24:31
Like pleasuring yourself on stage. Good life experience. Perfect.

SAM: 24:34
Um Yeah, we're all playing like 14-year-olds in that musical. It's bloody ridiculous.

MAX: 24:40
What I don't like is when you've got like like I know you're an adult, but like I mean. People my age, perhaps, let's be let's make it more general and exaggerate the the example. People my age playing teenagers, like it's just a bit I mean, they used to do it in the 20s and 30s and that, like that was on film. But but it just it's a bit much, especially in a play, like trying to connect when but also 100% TV shows.

SAM: 25:03
Like you watch shows like Riverdale and they're all playing like 17, 18 year olds and they're all like 25 and whatever. But here's the funny thing, it can it works both ways. So KJ Appa, who's the lead in Riverdale, he's news uh he's Kiwi, um he was 19 when they started the show, but he looks like 25. So I think it works both ways as well. You if you'll match the ages of the character uh of the character but your look doesn't, still same idea. I reckon cut him loose. Cut 'em loose. I mean, I don't want to say that because I don't want to ruin my chances, but you know. But uh there are a lot of older roles and but you then you've got kids who you people who look 25 and uh sorry, people who were 25 and look younger, like who's the guy, the guy from um sex education who was also I've got his name. But he looked you know, there's all those young actors.

MAX: 25:49
Well what about Liam Neeson? He's in Australia at the moment filming an action movie, he's in his mid to late 70s. The poor guy.

SAM: 25:55
Oh, but he said Liam Hemsworth.

MAX: 25:57
Stop giving him a stop giving him an action movie, you know, but he can't help but play the taken guy all the time. It'd be very cool, though. It is very cool and very believable, but it's like you know You say he's in Sydney shooting it. He's in uh I think they're filming it in Melbourne.

SAM: 26:08
Oh wow, what is it?

MAX: 26:09
I can't remember the the working title, but it's there's so many people in Byron.

SAM: 26:12
Oh, Bancon and Marubra. They're gonna see. They're gonna move to Sydney, is the big news. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

MAX: 26:18
They're relocating with the kids.

SAM: 26:19
Oh, I can't wait. This is gonna be the new Hollywood.

MAX: 26:22
Um, well, it's it's it's a great opportunity for the Australasian uh industry where there's so much work because it's a safer environment than many other places. Yeah. You've got good weather, especially in the Queensland. There's a reliable weather, but in Queensland in particular, I remember in the mid-90s, um, they'd love to film there rather than um I think they had no other option was Sydney really at that stage for the larger productions because you guarantee even the television commercials, they'll cast Sydney Melbourne and Brisbane supporting, and then up you go, like you literally have to fly to Melbourne or Sydney to audition back in the day before the internet, and then and then you're in and then you're you're on Sydney together. And they love filming it in because of the the Sunshine Coast, you know, it's all about less rain, more sunshine. So you're gonna have less makeup days because it's all sunny weather.

SAM: 27:15
Like I mean, COVID helped it give a push, but but Hollywood stuff was moving here a while before COVID anyway, slowly.

MAX: 27:22
Yeah, I mean look, I think from the mid-90s where we had the dollar really low and the government swinging its focus to tax incentives and everything to keep up with other markets in the world. Yeah, it's the like all the states in America all do it. I think I think I spoke last time about uh Yellowstone, which moved from Utah to uh Montana because of the increase in tax credits. Yeah, home stuff. I mean, it's it's a major uh factor, and and I think uh the mid-90s was when Australia made that switch, and Fox Studios was was booked out, the sound stages in Queensland were booked out, yeah. And it's great for the locals around and the supporting industry, special effects guys got a big name for themselves, like all this upskilling that then they were on this level playing field and could get more work overseas because they worked on this huge commercial temp pole movie worth 100 mil plus, you know, and that's kind of stayed. It's brilliant. And then we're getting more and more notice for look, Nicole Kidman just rap filming uh an eight-episode series. They've finished, have they? Yeah, I mean like it's she's on to the next project already. I mean, like it's just it's it's all happening, it's great. I think LA's back up to like 60, 60, 70% capacity, but then they've just gone into a full lockdown this week. Yeah. Again. Yeah. Where like you can't go out unless it's a central travel. Well, actually, talking about nine perfect strangers, I think is the show that Charles Kim and From Elaine Moriarty novel, which produced some great TV.

SAM: 28:43
Yeah, there was a there was a person in my year, uh, and they well, they still are, and they uh went to Skeggs and I did a musical with them uh back in like year nine. Yeah. Zoe Tarakis. I think I've spoken about her before. Yes. They got a role on on Nine Perfect Strangers. Fantastic. Uh, opposite all these people uh they're doing so well.

MAX: 29:06
Yeah, that's so well because it's a great opportunity to suddenly you're you're you're on a set that's super professional, you've got all the resources you need. Yeah. Um, if you turn up prepared and give it your heart and soul, it's a great learning experience. That'd be fantastic. Yeah.

SAM: 29:21
Like they they posted a photo on the Instagram with Luke Evans. I'm like, oh, the dream.

MAX: 29:26
We've got to both be in this. Driving a car around trying to avoid hitting the car, camera car. I could be on a trailer in a big budget movie just being driven around. I know. Fine. Anyway, we'll have we'll have more stories, more advice. You have half your life left. More to have a great time, like the amount of work I'm getting. Yeah. You're living the life. I just missed a phone call. That was Phil about the voiceover job. So like good stuff's coming in uh across both businesses, voiceovers and acting. So yeah. Anyway, I'm Max. And I am Sam. And you'll hear us again next week. We're 20 Point Actors.

Speaker 2: 30:09
Bye.

MAX: 30:15
Fred, just calm down, mate. I need I need that hand in life. Don't don't bite off. Do I have to give you a T R E A T?