Andy Kaufman, Dog Auditions, & LinkedIn Success | Ep 67

MAX: 00:12
Welcome back to two unemployed actors. I'm Max. I'm Sam. And we have a great show today. Fred's helping us out. He's loving the new setup. We're going for a wider shot, which means he actually gets in frame more often. It's his request. For those watching on our YouTube channel, a play update for you, a Sammy update, and how I cheated on Fred this week. Oh my god. Oh my god. And he knew it too, he found out too. Anyway. So, first of all, the play. I can't believe two shows sold out so far. There's there's basically there's less than 26 tickets left. So that would be 25. So 25 tickets left. Yeah. To come and see Lipstick.

SAM: 00:53
I haven't booked yet, but I meant I if I can come. I know. Wait, how many nights? Three? Uh four. Four nights.

MAX: 01:00
Two available, two left.

SAM: 01:02
Two sold out. Alright, alright, alright.

MAX: 01:03
So yeah, so it's selling really well. I can't believe. Like, I mean, there's so many unknowns, right? Because we're starting to come back into the theatre. Uh my cousin went to the opera last week. Uh and uh there's a few live gigs on and around and about um as we sort of get back to somewhat normal. We've eased restrictions a little bit here in Sydney, which is wonderful. Good stuff. Um look, it's considering uh you're talking to friends in LA and friends in Italy and friends in the UK, like we're we're doing well. We're doing great. It's kind of like it hasn't hit compared to what they've had to go through. But uh Australia's good. Yeah, we're doing alright, we're doing all right, and we're booking more overseas productions coming and filming in in Australia and in New South Wales in particular, which is wonderful. I know Byron Bay, good luck trying to rent anywhere there, uh, even the locals are getting priced out because you know you've got all these productions moving there. They're actually talking about building a sound stage in Byron Bay. Nice, which doesn't surprise me because you've got Ballin Airport, which is so close there. The Gold Coast isn't that far away, if you're gonna drive. Um, so it's easy to get in and out of. And the sound stages in Queensland are always booked out. Like it's just because I mean the weather's better, so you get more sunny days.

Speaker 2: 02:19
Yeah.

MAX: 02:20
Um so yeah, anyway, so it's great. Uh COVID days are fewer and far between, and sunny days are more frequent. What can I say? It's great. There we go. So buy tickets to lipstick is the point of that point of that story. To feel even better, to have a nice, happy, we're back to normal, comedy farce, um which which I know I need. It look, I'm still laughing, like at the stage now where I've no, I'm off bookable script, right? Which you want to be with three weeks to go, yeah, and all the blocking and everything's down. I've even got the costume sorted, like all the I's dotted T's crossed. So I'm really having fun with the little things now, sort of playing a little bit and finessing. Good stuff, um, which is wonderful. And speaking of me working this week, I was booked to do a photo shoot with um other dogs. Sorry, Fred. He's just yeah, he's basically turned his back on me at the moment uh for a dog walking app, and it's like a mock interview of how wonderful you think it is, why you need it, and uh because it's kind of like an Uber, you know, you can book a dog walker that's been vetted and has reviews and walk your dog for you. Um and they're always in the studio getting photographed with Daisy, French bulldog, and peanut, who is a little like tiny Jack Russell thing, so uh which is look, it's great. I mean, you wouldn't wouldn't when you want to work with kids and animals, perfect. It's interesting, but uh animal like Daisy was a bit stubborn, but uh at one stage she wouldn't get into position and then she just ran away. And Peanut from nowhere just runs into the position, does the pose, pauses, we take photos, everyone's like, oh my god, this is amazing, and then just runs away. I'm like Peanut's showing us how it's done. Like any up and coming actor, he's taken an opening, he's leveraged it, and for that moment it was all about him.

SAM: 04:01
What's the dog who's peanut?

MAX: 04:02
I can't remember. Something little Jack Russell thing. I put on my Instagram, white with brown spots.

SAM: 04:07
Max has a piece of paper with all the notes on it. Uh it says future, and there's nothing there.

MAX: 04:12
There's nothing there, no. Well, like there's no future. It's actually all blank. Normally I have like um what to intro, uh, what to talk about with a few bullet points, and we're not even halfway there, so buckle up. Uh then as I'm editing it, I'll put if there's any shorts for social media, yep. And then future, what ideas that I come up with to put down next. I probably should delete future if there's nothing next.

SAM: 04:38
Future's a new one, you tried it and figured out there's not much.

MAX: 04:41
Looking ahead isn't as isn't as fun. So I'm just looking back. And speaking of looking back, yes, I enjoyed that. Although coming back from the photo shoot was a bit of an issue because um Fred could sense that you know he didn't have to smell too hard to realize I've been playing with other dogs and cheating on him. Uh, when they found out when they saw photos of him on the Vespa, how Fred loves to ride the Vespa, oh that just done oh, that would have been great in a photo shoot. That would have been one of the you can't afford Fred. He's um his rates are too high. If Fred could talk, his first words would be, I want to see an agent. Seriously, yeah, get me get me a contract. Um, so interesting. Also, um, one more fun fact before I throw to you, Sammy. Um there's a warning for you to get ready. Uh yes, you using YouTube stats. So I put I I finished a show related, as I mentioned, a couple weeks ago, and I put it out there into the universe, into the social media internet universe, and um it's been getting lots of plays, which is wonderful. I mean, there's up to 40-something plays uh last time I checked in. But what's interesting is because I've hosted on YouTube and I just share that across social media, a it's easy to be shared because that's what YouTube's designed for, and um, it also allows me, once it gets up to a certain number of viewers, to see you know all the places where people drop away.

SAM: 05:56
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, it does.

MAX: 05:58
So, and I know casting directors probably watch it twice normal speed or um you know drop out early or whatever, but basically, 70% of people get to a minute 30 of the two-minute mark. And so I'm like 30 seconds, I want at least a couple of strong performances. Yeah. By one minute 30, I want you to see a fair range. Yeah. So boom, 1.30 is one minute 25 seconds to be precise, is when it drop starts to drop. Okay. So that's that's kind of cool. That sort of cements what I thought about putting up, obviously put your good stuff up the front, um, but how to pack it full.

SAM: 06:35
Yeah, which really too long, you don't want like a five-minute show because no one wants to do it.

MAX: 06:38
No one's gonna directors. You just waste time editing or paying someone else to. Yeah. Um, but um, what was interesting is where did most of the views, and I'm in a whole chunk of views come from. LinkedIn. I kid you not. I've got a number, obviously I've got a lot of different things. So you've got a link on your LinkedIn. Yeah, I've got a number of people from my corporate life that ended three years ago, thankfully, RIP corporate life. Um, and quite a number in the new creative world, from theatre producers to producers to directors to casting directors, you name it. They're all in there. Um, and when I shared the YouTube clip on LinkedIn and said, you know, I can't believe it's been three years, so proud that this is what I've been able to achieve in that time. Here's a snapshot Michelle for those of you that have a sec, or words to that effect. Um, the lit the the the those that went through LinkedIn um were the most amount of viewers. There we go. It certainly got a nice uh that post itself got a nice level of engagement, and even with LinkedIn, you can see how many people have looked at the post without pressing like, whatever, and where they've come from, where they work, all that sort of stuff. So it's interesting every now and then I when I've got the time and I've caught my breath, just to have a look at how things are tracking and how everything's moving. Because I know I did my social media special last week, and one gap in most actors was LinkedIn. And well, that's where all these businesses are that we're employee. Yeah, I don't know. And and when I shared it on my Facebook, when I shared up acting Facebook, Twitter, uh, Insta, all that sort of stuff, the most chunk of views came from LinkedIn. So it's interesting. Yeah, no. Fun fact. There we go. It's a good fun fact. What what have you been up to, Sammy?

SAM: 08:14
What have I been up to? Um shooting cooked still, the the feature film in Newcastle. Uh just got back. When did that start? Shooting. Was that January? We started we started February. Yeah, January. No, no, no, January, yeah, yeah, yeah. So like I think it was early to mid-Jan. Right. Uh, and we're finishing on March 31st. It's looking really good.

MAX: 08:37
Okay.

SAM: 08:38
Um, yeah, getting through it. We're we're it was the halfway mark uh this last weekend. So we've still got quite a few bit to go.

MAX: 08:46
It's a marathon.

SAM: 08:46
Um and it's awesome.

MAX: 08:48
What's it like living with a character for so long?

SAM: 08:50
Living with a character.

MAX: 08:51
Because I know we're normally like you get an audition script the night before, you you you're you're you're living and dreaming that character, and then the next day you've forgotten all about it.

SAM: 08:58
Well, actually, it's kind of nice because um to be honest, like this character's just a kind of a teenage boy. Um so it you know, he's he's similar to me in that sense. Much more relatable to you. Yeah, yeah, and yeah, exactly. And he's and he's quite uh he's a bit of a nervous one, but he's quite he's quite chilled out. Okay. Uh but yeah, living with it means I can just kind of jump straight back into set. And and what helps is that I'm with these same group of guys all the time. So we just go straight back into the friend group, um, and we've become so close that we we're now considered each other mates. So it works really, really well. And we even shot uh last weekend, we shot in uh so the director's house, and that's a space that we usually all go to after shooting for dinner and all that stuff. And this scene was meant to be a house that we've all been to before and hang out, so it actually worked really well, like as in our characters have to do that. Yeah, that's cool. So it was relaxing and it it didn't actually feel like it felt very different to the other shoot days. Yeah. Um, but it was great, it was really good. And uh yeah, so that's good. So I'm going back soon again, Sunday. Okay. So it's just back and forth. Um, photos look great, I can probably send a few.

MAX: 10:12
Um yeah, share some stuff. We'll put it on on to unemployed social so that everyone can see what you've been doing.

SAM: 10:17
100%. And I I had an audition for news.com.eu. Oh yeah. That was a lot of fun. I thought I went really well. Um I think because I was shooting during the wardrobe date and the callback date. Right. Could have been a deal breaker. Okay. Pretty sure I would have got it otherwise. No, I don't know. But but um that was a lot of fun, that one. So that was a lot of inner monologue stuff, so it was like a voiceover um kind of things. Uh yeah. Uh that's pretty much it. I mean, auditions-wise, yeah, been a bit quiet for me.

MAX: 10:50
It has for me too, actually, which is interesting. Uh, even on voiceover, oh, voiceover is a little bit, but yeah, no, it's been a bit chill.

SAM: 10:56
But I'm I'm gonna call my agent actually after this and uh see how go see how ask him a bit about. Time for a check-in. Yeah. But I've uh I've started up my officially started up my headshot business, Sam Fold and Photography.

MAX: 11:09
Has that been going? Because we gave over a little plug couple of podcasts ago.

SAM: 11:12
Yeah, yeah, no, it's good. So I so I shot um my family and uploaded a couple of things. Did they have a choice? You found they did not have a choice. You're basically following them around the house with a camera going, just stand still. Yeah. Um, some great ones, actually. That's awesome. Uh no, so I uploaded them and on the first day of uploading I got two messages from two people I know who wanted headshots, so that's great. I got some great responses and people shared it, and that was awesome. That's really good. So, yeah, so if anyone needs a headshot in Sydney, and you're in Sydney or can get to Sydney. Yeah, it's just uh look up Sammy. Yeah, go to my Instagram page, it's at Sam Folden Photography. That's Holden but with an F.

MAX: 11:51
Holden Folden.

SAM: 11:53
Uh yeah, and honestly, like do it. Yeah, so that's so that's been a lot of fun, and I'm I'm hoping that kicks off. I've been working hard on it.

MAX: 12:01
So that's good, and it's great when you can do stuff too that's related to to the industry. But um also when things take a dip in terms of the auditioning and you know, industry engagements, that sort of stuff, um, you've got your feature film project to cling to to keep you busy, and I've got the play rehearsals to to keep me busy, so it's really feels like I haven't stopped since last year. Yeah, it's like we've just consistently been thinking and living and breathing acting, which is what you want.

SAM: 12:27
But that's really cool. I was gonna say, like, this is my first feature film, right? So it's about an hour 45 or whatever the film will be. Um, and you know, like if you do a feature film that that doesn't, you know, get filmed in blocks, two two months, two and a half months of just full-on filming or whatever, right? Um, or independent one at least. Uh this one, you know, over three months, different blocks and stuff like that, it still feels you know, it's actually quite a long time. Yeah. And it's really, really fun to be able to just know that you're gonna film and shoot on these dates with the same people for three months. Um it's just yeah, I'm gonna do that.

MAX: 13:04
I can I can see the attraction to really good, um, really wonderfully written television, uh, where a lot of great actors have have moved to as the writing's just gone amazing, amazingly well.

SAM: 13:16
And you spent years with that.

MAX: 13:17
And you yeah, you're living and breathing the character throughout a season, um, is probably the only way to sort of make that feel even longer. Yeah.

SAM: 13:25
Um, and that's that's really interesting how you get to develop a character so much over such a exactly, and and that's why I think a lot of the time um with TV shows, you can actually see even the actors become more comfortable with their characters. Well, you would 100%. You know, like Jess and I are watching Supernatural still, I know we're very behind, but 15 seasons, yeah, 15 years.

MAX: 13:47
That is a long time, especially uh are the series regulars still the same, like similar.

SAM: 13:51
Yeah, so these two guys, so the two characters, Dean and Sam Winchester, play brothers. Yep. Um, it's like Jensen Accles and Jared Padalecki are the actors. Okay, and you know, they start well Jared was 23, and Jensen was 27, and it's been 15 years now. That's amazing. They finished last year. That's incredible, and you know, spending that much time obviously crew crew would probably come and go. Yeah. Um but you know, you get to know each other, and yeah, it's just that's really cool because I mean you've sort of got a like, you know, for us normally and and I'm sure you know other up-and-coming actors, it's the same deal.

MAX: 14:27
You know, maybe you get two or three times a year where you really get to stretch your legs in a character for scripted um television or or film. Um and like it's you're trying to layer everything in there and build up this little backstory for the character and hit all the right nuances and everything, and you're just doing it under the pump. If you can pull it off, you know, in those situations, that's even after all the all the auditions you do doing the same thing but in an even shorter time time frame.

SAM: 14:55
Um it must be great doing it on a I also think the like the exciting and scary part of doing a TV show is that you're not reassured that you're gonna be doing like seven seasons, right?

MAX: 15:06
You don't know generally. Well, I mean you do the pilot, you don't know if it's gonna if you're gonna come back.

SAM: 15:11
Exactly.

MAX: 15:11
But but that's every actor's fear is once we hear cut, you know, we're never gonna we're never gonna be able to go back again.

SAM: 15:17
But yeah, no, but that's it also the exciting part, like you figure out, oh god, we've got another two seasons to do now. So that's another two years with these people. I mean, obviously it doesn't take too much.

MAX: 15:27
It helps when you do like working with them because yeah, I mean, you know, you've got long days together, um you kind of get to know crew and cast, and it's just yeah, obviously when you've got a a close-knit team, it helps so much when everyone's pulling their weight.

SAM: 15:39
Yeah, and it's amazing, like starting to experience a little bit, but like I said, this character's very uh you know, similar to me, but I'd love to experience even more just kind of growing with a character. Yeah, it almost you you because I find when I started out acting, I'd be like, and I did this, and this is what I did, but I'm talking all now like he did about my character. Yeah, yeah, you know, it's a whole different person, and and that's I think experience as well. Like once you figure out that it's kind of they're two separate things, which is which is awesome, you know, you've got to embody it.

MAX: 16:14
And and especially if you're playing a really dark character or a character goes really dark place, um, very difficult, um then you know you really want to be able to help to get out of that mindset, out of that headspace, especially if you're living with her for hours and hours. Yeah, a week.

SAM: 16:28
100%. Well, actually, talking talk speaking on this topic, um, actually up in Newcastle we all we all watched, I don't know if you've heard of the documentary Jim and Andy. No. So it's on Is that about Andy Kaufman? It's about Andy Kaufman and Jim Carrey. Yes, yes, yes, yes. So Jim Carrey played Andy Kaufman as a comedian um in a film, and then Universal didn't want uh so for 20 years they kept it the behind-the-scenes footage under wraps because they didn't want Jim Carrey to look like an asshole. Um but it is incredible, he was just in character the whole time.

MAX: 17:01
Because there was a guy, um, oh my god, I've just forgotten his name, but um was wrestling with Andy Carpenter. Because for those that don't know, Andy Carpenter, fantastic comedian uh in Taxi, was when I first saw him in Taxi Reruns. Um, but the guy was all over comedy, huge in the 70s, and I'd like just hilarious, but you just never know what's gonna happen next, whether it be an interview, whatever, it was kind of borat before borat, it's that type of comedy. He'd turn it up for a press conference about something and it'd just go off tangent. So he was wrestling women, and he used to brag that I can wrestle X amount of women and always, and he'd play it, play it, play it up, but he was quite athletic, and he would actually challenge like they'd go in and really try and he'd get them in the end and win, and that was his way of going, look how good I am. Then he went and challenged a WWF wrestler, who's the gentleman I've forgotten his name of, who then and they were great friends, and he would and he would always be they would always be shit talking to each other, you know. You can't do blah, I can't do, you can't do but and even had went to blows almost on Letterman. There's a great if you look at Letterman in YouTube, um, there was a great moment where you can see them almost coming to blows. Uh it's hilarious. But they're great friends, and he was asked to go back to film with uh Jim Carey. And one comment he made, yeah, he's like like Jim Carey, fair enough, he's going all method and he's in his character the whole time and he only wants to refer to as Andy and whatever. But the way he treated him was the way you'd think he'd be treated if you only saw what happened on camera. Yeah. Because they were chick-talking each other. Yeah, Jim Carrey. But it's like he said to the director, he said, mate, we were great mates, you know, we never used to talk to each other like that.

SAM: 18:38
We were great. Yeah, you see in the documentary, Jim Carrey um like completely embodied Andy Kaufman, but um yeah, kind of frustrated this wrestler so much that in the scene where Andy Kaufman actually gets slapped by him, um, which actually happened was an interview, like it was full on I'm I hate you.

MAX: 19:01
When Jim when when when yeah when when he happened in real life to Andy, it was a s it was a slap. It was he hit him, but it wasn't you know, it wasn't fly. But he said, because he was so frustrated with the way filming had been, when he slapped Jim, it was a it was a decent yeah, yeah. And Jim actually said afterwards, you really got me there. Yeah, yeah. Like that was a decent slap because of all the frustration of dealing with Jim Andy.

SAM: 19:24
Exactly. And during during the the wrestling, the actual wrestling match, Andy Kaufman like faked being injured.

MAX: 19:31
Yes. But the wonderful pole-driven thing, and he's there and the ambulance turns up and it's all huge.

SAM: 19:38
But in the film, Jim Carrey actually got injured. Um, he actually did.

MAX: 19:43
Well, you know, do you know you know which is you know what happened?

SAM: 19:46
Yeah.

MAX: 19:48
Jim Carey, well this guy who played the uh the the the wrestler, it's two o'clock in the morning, he gets a phone call from the other side of America. On the phone is Jim Carey, Danny DeVito, who was also producing, and uh the production company, right? And one of their insurance people. And they basically said, uh, look, you know, uh this is what's going on. We're we're talking about the big wrestling scene. Um Jim actually wants you to pole drive him.

Speaker 2: 20:20
Yeah.

MAX: 20:21
And everyone else in the room, Danny DeVito, the producers, the insurers like, no, that's not gonna no. Like there's just too much risk that if he does get injured, you know, A, it puts at risk the production, and B, you're paying out for Jim. For you know, and Jim's like, no, no, I really want to, I really want to, I do I feel like I need to do this, you know, blah blah blah. Regardless of the fact that Andy was bunging it on 90% of it anyway at the time, he really wanted to get poll. So anyway, so it was settled that no, and no surprise, Jim would not get pole drop pole-driven uh at the uh at the thing. So it cue the day uh in LA, and there's there's um first problem, right? This wrestler turns up and there's all these extras, right? And they're all wearing uh half of them wearing straw hats and and and and denim um overalls, like they've just got off the farm.

SAM: 21:11
Yeah, it's like that. Have you seen it? Have you seen it? No, no, no, you just heard about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

MAX: 21:15
And I heard an interview with the wrestler who I've conveniently forgotten name. He's like, this isn't this wasn't what happened. Like these guys are from Dallas or that, you know, they're well-to-do people, these aren't hicks, you know. So that you see the costume guy goes up and just stares through the megaphone, everybody, take off your hats. Anyway, and so for the whole day, these extras had to sit there. Long story short, there's plenty of takes because you know, you know, he does the thing with with Jim Carey, stop. Jim goes out, stunt goes in, does a thing with the stunt man, then stunt man goes out, Jim goes back in, then it's stop, start, stop, start, stop, start, and it's the entire day, and the extras are getting rowdy.

Speaker 2: 21:52
Yeah.

MAX: 21:53
And then Jim comes up to the guy and says, Uh, look, I really want you to Oh not Jim, but Jim got someone to come up to him and go, Jim really wants you to uh Pole drive him now. So in his head, he's been told by the director and everyone else, Danny David or the producers, do not pole drive this guy. Then someone's come up and said, Jim wants you to do it.

Speaker 2: 22:14
Yeah.

MAX: 22:14
Because they're all screaming now, because the extras have had enough. It's been all day. Why Jim's too scared to fight? Jim keeps going out of the ring, you know, rats or Jim, Razzle Jim. So he's like, I'm stuck in this position. So what do I do? Because I'm on the hook now. Yeah. Because if I really do it and it goes bad, and Jim's Jim's gonna overdo it like Andy did. I'm screwed. I'm screwed either way now. And there's Jim giving him the evils already from the other side of the ring. Yeah. So he's so he said to the director, I'm stuck. I've just been told, and the director's gone, okay, okay, thank you so much for telling me thank you so much. Walks in the middle of the ring and says, That's a wrap. And it all stopped. And Jim's giving him this guy absolute evils because he's like, he's like, I really want to do this. You've just ruined my moment, it's all been building up to this the moment sort of thing. And and um let's just say was less than friendly to the wrestler. Yeah. Oh my god.

SAM: 23:02
And then it and then yeah, it he broke something and went out in the hospital.

MAX: 23:06
It's um it's it was uh it was a fun day, and I think um I think you could feel for the extras, but also Andy Kaufburn, like you just didn't know what to expect. And of all people to play him, Jim's really good. Like I've seen him in Sunshine and the Spot Eternal Sunshine and the Spotless Mind playing a really dramatic role with only a few moments of levity, absolutely amazing. You look at Robin Williams in uh playing serial killers, I'm like you some of the best dramatic moments come from these comedic actors, yeah, because they just go so deep to find these funny moments about their life and sometimes rawest moments of their life that they're making fun of, yeah. And and it's amazing to see them um do that, and I think that that that character allows allowed Jim Carrey to do everything the drama, the comedy, and everything else, because there was just so much around this Andy Kaufman phenomenon.

SAM: 24:01
100%. And there was this there was this awesome moment actually in the documentary where um so Andy Kaufman played a character called Tony Clifton. Right.

MAX: 24:10
He played this on Taxi Driver. Was that the one on Taxi Driver? I'm not sure.

SAM: 24:14
Sometimes even in his stand-up, he just gets up as a as a character to Tony Clifton. So so Jim Carrey also played Andy Kaufman playing Tony Clifton. Yes, um, and the the real Andy Kaufman would sometimes not want to go somewhere, so his you know, right hand man, the guy who helped him write stuff would dress up as Tony and pretend to be Andy and Tony. Anyway, that guy was involved in the shoot with Jim Carrey and stuff, the real the real guy uh friend of Andy Kaufman.

MAX: 24:38
I mean, really trying to legitimately do the best representation of Andy's life. So who better to bring than the people that were a part of that life?

SAM: 24:45
And so there was one time where uh oh god damn it. Uh Hugh Hefner invited Jim Carrey for dinner uh at his mansion, he was having a party or whatever. That'd be a great party. And Jim Carrey's managers and stuff call Hugh Hefner and is like, Look, you're either gonna get Andy Kaufman or Tony Clifton. Um, but it's gonna be Jim. He's just he's playing a character at the moment. Uh anyway, so Tony Clifton turns up to Hugh Hefner's house, parting along, everyone's like, oh my god, what the hell? All this stuff, and it ends up being not Jim Carrey, it ends up being the guy. Yep. And half an hour later, Jim Carrey walks in as Andy Kaufman, and Hugh Hefner's face just drops and kicks Tony Clifton out, and all this stuff, it's just like oh it's what it's a great rabbit hole to go down.

MAX: 25:36
Yeah, um, there's a lot of interviews of people who work with Andy and and Jim on this production, um, and it's it's wonderful. I I'll have to see that documentary. It's it's really interesting. I feel like I know it, but I I I don't know it well enough. Uh I'll I'll give you one more story. When when because I I I found Andy when I was watching Taxi, and you know, you've got great uh Danny DeVito was on it, uh Tony Danzer from uh also watched him in Who's the Boss as a kid growing up, like just people with great comedic talent, and to find them all in the one set is really unusual, let alone television series. Yep, and uh so they hired Andy to play this character, and um Tony Danzer said that he also had hired um this alter ego, his alter ego, and when it was his alter ego, his character, uh you had to address him as that character only in rehearsals were now what was interesting though, um Andy never went to a rehearsal. So you you you get a table read, yeah, you have a day or so rehearsals, just so like the cameras know where to where to go, whatever. So they had to hire another guy who was quite a good actor, actually, who stood in during rehearsals so that they knew where they were relating to Andy, and someone could say Andy's lines, everything. So they had this stand-in for Andy during rehearsals, yeah. Then Andy would come in, and you'd never know whether you get Andy in a great mood, Andy in a bad mood, Andy in a funny mood, Andy playing alter ego. They just didn't know which level of crazy it was going to go to, would turn up on the day shooting. You've got the live audience, you're ready to go, and Andy just rocks up. But he never missed a line, never missed a mark. Wow. They couldn't fault him for anything. Nice, it's just dealing with the universe that was around Andy. And I'll link one of the interviews I watched recently, actually, with Tony Danzer talking about what it was like working with Andy Kaufman on Taxi. It was just because everything we've talked about, it feels like all of that with the alter egos, the dramas, um, the setups behind the scenes were almost as crazy, if not crazier, than what went on in front of the camera, which is hilarious.

SAM: 27:47
You also see that on this, it's it's so meta, like you see that with the Jim Carrey one. And I think he's quite an intelligent dude, Jim Carrey. Yeah, um, but he's also a bit whack. I think you have to be whack if you're that intelligent, you know.

MAX: 27:59
Yeah, it was a it was a great movie. I really enjoyed that. So um, oh wow, we'll be on for the tangent. Well, um was a good one. Good tangent. Speaking of strange, strange stories, there's a segue. Yep. Um so out of nowhere, right, this week, I get an email from an Italian animation company wanting me to audition for an Australian character um via an online platform that I forgot existed, let alone that I had a name and a demo attached. I can't remember.

SAM: 28:29
Oh my god.

MAX: 28:30
So they contact me and they say, um, we want you to audition for this. We'd love the way your voice sounds. I'm like, okay, that's great, but also weird. I don't know what it sounded like when you listen to it, uh, or what how old that demo was anyway. Um so out of nowhere, this Italian production company, yeah, television production company's gone, yeah. We're doing this animated series, we want you to play this um this um detective, this Australian character. And um, can you send through does it sound like something you'd be interested in? You know, let us know. We're happy to send through some lines for you to to record and and then we can take it from there. I mean, just last week when I was saying how you've got to have a social media strategy, yeah, however big or small it is, because you never know where your next opportunity is coming from. I'm like, There we go. Get this contact out of the blue guy. What the f what the hell? What? What? Well, that's cool. Obviously, I applied and went, yeah, interested. Uh we'll see what we'll see what if anything happens from that. But but like, yeah, absolutely. You never know where your next it's just so random. Like, you couldn't make that up. An Italian television company doing an Australian doing an animation that involved an Australian character.

SAM: 29:35
It's not a scam.

MAX: 29:36
Whatever. No, they didn't ask for money, just my voice. So they didn't ask for money. There you go. Um, but uh, but uh it would be interesting to know what their budget is, just uh when they go back to me. But um anyway, so it was it was good, it's been a weird week. It's been weird but good. I'm uh playing Hank in Lipstick, having fun with the troop um in rehearsals. Nice, wrestling with dogs for a dog app and talking to an Italian production company about uh being an Aussie detective. Brilliant all in a week of up-and-coming actoring. Uh who knows what's in store next week. Hopefully, it's just as busy in Black. I have no idea. My future's blank, you're right. Spot on. Aren't they all? Aren't they all? We don't know. It's blank canvas. Which makes it a lot of people. All right, well, that's enough for the Andy Kaufman show. And Sam and Max. We'll listen to us uh again next week. Two unemployed actors. I'm Max. I'm Sam. Bye