Getting Paid in Wine & The Hustle of Low-Budget Commercials Ep 78

MAX: 00:12
Welcome back to Two Unemployed Actors. I'm Max. I'm Sam. Uh big show today. We've been busy. Um I have I've I've been really busy and I've it's been good because it's been busier on the acting side, which is what I want.

SAM: 00:25
Yes.

MAX: 00:26
But I'm like, you know you're busy when it's a Thursday afternoon as we're recording this and I'm lying on the couch just zoning out. And I'm zoning out to Parliament question time. And a little bit of candy crush. So you know you're tired when when you're zoning out to politicians. Yes. Um and you actually listen to Parliament question time to relax. Anyway, enough about me. It's a bit weird. Make sense. I've I've had um so sorry this this week I've had Sunday was uh the short film Flood and Fire that was put off for the fire and the pandemic finally happened. Uh Tuesday uh social media advertising for RSVP, a dating site. And then Wednesday a dating site? Yeah, that's RSVP, they're a dating site, as opposed to like a dating app.

SAM: 01:19
Oh, but I I heard it's all right.

MAX: 01:21
Welcome back, Sandy.

SAM: 01:22
For some reason I heard RSPCA.

MAX: 01:24
RSPCA. Well you could date animals, but you know, it's for life, it's not just for Christmas or first date. And anyway, yesterday was a cleaning company, um, such a low-budget television commercial, any more lower, and I would have been filming it myself. And then today, voiceovers for the wine company, which is fantastic because I just got an email back going, um I'll listen to the download of the files, I'll listen to them next week and already pay the invoice. I'm like, oh, can all of my clients be like this?

SAM: 01:54
Yeah.

MAX: 01:55
Anyway, um, so Sunday was great. I really enjoyed stepping back into a character in front of a camera because there's been a whole lot of reading off teleprompters for corporates and dry copy. Um, really good. It was a nice little rural little spot about an hour from town, and uh a little country cottage, and it had that country cottage feel. Me playing an alcoholic father. Um again, this is my second alcoholic father. Yeah, toadcast. Uh any excuse for a drink, and Jesus, I joke about it, and so anyway, um, and then uh it was really good. It took like half a day to get the scene down. Um so a bit of blocking and that, but uh but look, it went, it went quite well. Good crew, big crew, like 15, and uh it was great to see uh the director Jack Allen Keach, who we've interviewed here with their partnership, Jack and Jacob. Um actually having you know, yeah, he's running a full crew, full, full short film set. That's good. Yeah, it is, it is. Uh it was great to say I said to that, it's great to see I I remarked him, it's great to see him in charge of a slick operation. Uh, because I think it was only not that long ago we were doing the interview, which was our first short film that I worked with him on. Reasonably in long time. And there was like about half a dozen of us on set.

SAM: 03:17
It was at your old place. Yeah, that interview.

MAX: 03:20
It was a year ago.

SAM: 03:22
Have you been here for a year?

MAX: 03:24
Feels like it. Since August. So, yes, possibly a year ago. Oh my god. But um, but no, when we actually did the short film, the interview uh it was only six crew, including two actors. Three actors. Hey, Fred. So he's definitely heading the right direction. I think every project is just getting bigger and bigger. Yeah, and um, it's great for his experience, great for me too. Uh and it's great when you work with someone before you just know that's a great story. Uh you just know how they work, it's like it's really cool. Um, and the way he relates to actors is really nice. It's just it it it's um it would just it sort of flowed quite well. I was quite happy. I was had no issues getting into the character um and getting into the moment. Um, I like it was just a really nice set. Perfect. It's good, good, they're few and far between, so you can leverage them, especially with my recent experiences. Oh, yeah, I love those shoots. I was telling makeup on RSVP shoot Tuesday, which was just around the corner here, like eight-minute Vesper ride and uh about that amazing, horrible shoe. Um, and she the character building one. She said, Oh my god, like I have never in my experience heard of anything like that happening on any set, let alone all of it happening in the ones set to you. I'm like, Yep.

SAM: 04:38
Is that the was that the like memorize this script and then memorize this in less than 30 minutes?

MAX: 04:43
Oh actually, we have a teleprompter. Oh, um, let me just snatch the phone from you for no reason. And what the what? Random. So um lots of good experiences since then, fortunately, helps me really even like yesterday, where it's tiny budget, it's like a three-month television, it's television commercial going to air for three months on a cleaning product, no speaking whatsoever, low, low budget. I I normally don't do this, but anyway, they reached out specifically asking for me, so I'm like, yeah, okay. And too small for the agent, even like and it was less than like the RSVP, which is ads for three months on social media only. Um, so but uh but look, they were really nice, like, and it was a drive, it was like an hour and a half to get there. We're talking rural, not regional. And and he was a bit cheeky in his response when I said, here's the fee, it'll be X amount this way and X amount back each way. Because I did say, look, you know, for traveling because it's an hour and a half. Oh, I thought you were in Sydney. Um, it's only 65 minutes from the CBD, and I'm like, don't be cheeky, man. I replied and went, actually, it's an hour and a half each way, so it's three hours of travel for me. So it's what what I'm implying is what I've committed to for a lot less uh very generous half day rate and not really much usage is is is turning into a full day. Yeah, because it's like I'm leaving at 8 a.m. and I'm not getting back till four. I'm pretty much not gonna book anything else that day. Yeah um, you know, so do a few voiceover editions at night, that's it. Yeah, so you're you know, you you're doing alright. So anyway, but he was fine. He came, he did agree to the travel fee. If you don't ask, you don't get right? Yeah, it certainly made me feel better um driving for three hours, knowing that I'm being paid for that, um, which is great, and all the tolls in between. Yeah, awesome. Um, so yeah, so it went really well. So it was a nice shoot, they're really nice. Um uh everyone was perfect. Uh the client was there, they just got ranging of this product in in Kohl's. Um, it's already in Woolworths, and I I I I fought myself, fought really hard trying not to go back to corporate max because that was my job to get ranging and negotiate with those terrorists. Oh yeah. So uh more character building. Uh so I was finding it hard to stay out of that lane. It's like, no, no, no, don't. It's like oh, and I I did a little bit, okay. Do they want half prices as well as you know, television commercial to get things arranged? Yeah, but we're part funding the half price. I'm like, oh, just I've got this, like I know what to do to avoid all of your profit moving from one PL to theirs. But anyway, I'm I'm look, I'm falling into that lane now.

SAM: 07:18
I know. You have to just half the screen.

MAX: 07:20
If I start talking about it, it's just smack me.

SAM: 07:21
To be honest, I had no idea what you're saying from eight minutes ago.

MAX: 07:24
Look, I've worked with lots of people over 20 years who don't even know what they're saying, and they were put in front of customers.

SAM: 07:29
So you're saying I could get a job?

MAX: 07:30
You probably could. You could have been my boss at Kellogg's.

SAM: 07:34
Oh, that's it.

MAX: 07:35
I swear if that guy was told to clap, he'd miss his hands. So yeah, it's been busy. So and then today was just getting all the wine, which which I have to say, the copy was written to be read a lot more than like, say, the dualux one, which is written by scientists for scientists to learn how to test consistently. Right, okay. So one would be a lot more interesting to read for an actor than the other. The wine one. And learning about wine, that's kind of more in my lane. I don't mind some alcohol, yeah. It was great.

SAM: 08:06
Sound like an alcoholic.

MAX: 08:08
Which is okay. I've played an alcoholic this week. I'm doing voiceovers for a wine company. There's a theme here. Method. Yeah. Yeah. I don't I don't actually get paid in dollars, I get paid in wine. Um, that's not true. Especially when I'm traveling.

SAM: 08:21
You get paid in one hour traveling, yeah.

MAX: 08:23
For three hours, my travel fee's a bottle of wine on the way back. Oh my god, you won't get home. Not only that, there's so many more questions and answers. But anyway, moving on. How was your week, Sam? Quick. My week, my week. Um what have you yeah, what have you been up to? Oh, wait. Your news.

SAM: 08:39
Oh what, the non-acting news?

MAX: 08:41
You're moving.

SAM: 08:42
I'm yeah, yeah. Jess and I got a place. Congratulations. Yeah, it's it's surreal still. Like, we move in on Tuesday. Uh my address is I get I get the feeling.

MAX: 08:54
I get the feeling between two actors living together in a relationship. Oh no, our two listeners are gonna come steal from us. Oh, both of them. But I think the I think the th what's gonna be interesting, both of you guys living together as actors in a relationship, you you'll find there's gonna be a self-tape wall that'll be like a party plan on yet.

SAM: 09:14
So we got we so we've got a two-bedroom place, and we're like the next second bedroom will be like music room, office kind of space. We'll have the blue screen set up constantly with a tripod in front of it. Like we're gonna have a self-tape.

MAX: 09:25
That's so cool.

SAM: 09:26
We just need like a light like this, like yes, like a ring light.

MAX: 09:31
I recommend these uh new Newman lights. Let me just have a look. I recommend I recommend these newer NEEWER. Where from? Uh eBay. Um I bought these two lights with light stands, batteries, and a battery recharger for like 150 or something.

SAM: 09:55
Both of them together for everything as one pack. Oh wow.

MAX: 09:58
Okay, so and and having two lights that you can adjust to be warmer or colder, yeah, uh brighter or or or not as bright. Um Dimmer is the word you want to. I'm such a technical light light guy. Right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Uh but being able to do all that is great because no matter what time of the day or night it is or what conditions you're filming in, you'll be able to have a consistent, well-lit.

SAM: 10:24
Yeah, we've been having some fun experiences where we start in the afternoon and just progressively the same self tape gets darker and darker.

MAX: 10:31
I know. It's it look, it's really cool. And and like you guys all have, I might I'll just keep mine set up all the time. Now I don't I don't I've given I've said to myself I don't need a dining room.

SAM: 10:39
Exactly. And we'll have the space for that as well. We'll have the space to do that. So yeah, that's very exciting.

MAX: 10:44
And you'll have a reader on tap.

SAM: 10:46
Reader on tap.

MAX: 10:47
Yeah, whereas I have to get Fred to read or even zoom someone in to read. Yeah. Because if the if you need to read it, you have to have a reader.

SAM: 10:54
I once was so desperate and Jess was at work that I recorded my own voice and left breaks for my.

MAX: 11:01
Did you do did you do a funny voice, like a different one?

SAM: 11:03
This is the same one. It sounded really weird, but from afar it kind of worked. Anyway, I didn't send that one. Didn't you? I just waited until Jess came home because I was like, this is shit. Practice. Anyway. Uh yeah, so so that's super exciting. Um also Cooked is kind of getting going further and further. We're being in the news more. I think uh Cam, the director, is being interviewed. The uh website is up. I saw that. The film cook filmcooked.com.

MAX: 11:31
The filmcooked.com. Brilliant.

SAM: 11:33
Uh you can buy some memorabilia, which I helped colour. Cooked memorabilia.

MAX: 11:37
It's hot.

SAM: 11:38
It's very hot. Did you get it? Because it's cooked, yeah. It's very hot though. We understood it, it just wasn't funny. Get it while it's hot. Get it while yeah, so just that. Uh I mean I'm I'm yet to I need to send more self-tapes to my agent.

MAX: 11:51
Okay. Oh, that's right. Yeah, you're under pressure. He told you. Under pressure. He did say you should send some. Yes. Yeah.

SAM: 11:57
Yes, and that that will occur, especially when we have the blue screen just permanently set up as well. Of course. Actually, by the podcast, we'll be free moving in.

MAX: 12:09
You're out of excuses. You'll actually be there with a wall for the self-type wall. Exactly. Out of excuses. Out of excuses, but other than have to deliver.

SAM: 12:16
Other than that, just working. Um I got two more interests from my headshot business. Sorry. Oh, you fucked. Um that's good. So that's good. Yeah. Um, if that kicks off, that'll be great as well. Uh so yeah, just working and and figuring stuff out slowly. Acting, to be honest, has been like left a little bit just because of the new job and stuff, and just I got a new car and all that stuff.

MAX: 12:41
Yeah, new car, new job, new house, new everything. You it would be great when you settle down, you're back in the vibe living with scripts and stuff.

SAM: 12:48
100%, and the self-tape wall will help pre-set up, just head home in the line.

MAX: 12:53
And you and Jess just building off each other, just you know, more and more stuff. It's great.

SAM: 12:57
But other than that, like just chilling. Good. Just chilling and watching stuff. Okay. Uh watched Tenet the other day, and I'm late to the party. Um I didn't like it. You're right. Yeah. The dialogue was way too quiet. It's just a and I was confused from five minutes in.

MAX: 13:14
I got it, and I even got that, oh, that's gonna be them when they went through that fight scene the first time.

SAM: 13:20
The shitty thing is on a multi million but on a multi-million dollar film we found ourselves turning the volume up and down. That's funny, so as you said. Yeah, yeah. You said that something like that.

MAX: 13:32
Because I mean, I mean, uh it's b it's bad enough for the side. It's just that like the special effects were so OTT in terms of sound that it even made it even more apparent when um it was hard to hear dialogue at in places.

SAM: 13:46
It was just like the background music was too loud when they were talking, or then uh the action when they weren't talking was louder than the way louder than the dialogue, so then you had to turn it down again and then turn it up to hear the dialogue. You know, it was a bit weird, and I love Christopher Nolan, so it was a bit unfortunate.

MAX: 14:04
I think if it had been half as long, um, and they'd really worked hard at what should stay in to make the story coherent, I think that would have been.

SAM: 14:12
I actually started to wrap my head around it near the end, though. When when I saw the machine that actually like did the shit.

MAX: 14:17
Well, you're still awake at the end. That's that's a plus then.

SAM: 14:19
Also, what's his name? Yeah, yeah. What's the guy's name? The the guy who plays the antagonist.

MAX: 14:25
Um really uh uh yes, British actors.

SAM: 14:28
He's a British actor, and his accent was amazing because he played a reversion.

MAX: 14:31
Yep, yep, yep, yep. Um I yes.

SAM: 14:34
Got his name, but his accent was really good. Correct.

MAX: 14:36
How good's Elizabeth DeBicke?

SAM: 14:38
The the wife. Yeah, she was great.

MAX: 14:40
When they were in scenes together, those two, yeah, great. That was a good scene. Whenever calm down, whenever they were in a scene together, the energy was great, but every other scene just you know, it just made the other scenes even more blah blah.

SAM: 14:53
Yeah, it was a bit of a weird one.

MAX: 14:55
Um like when those two are going for it, there was drama, there was tension.

SAM: 14:58
Yeah.

MAX: 14:59
Yeah, like on the boat when they're having that conversation, like you could it was you like that.

SAM: 15:07
That was a good scene. Uh yeah, they were good. That was actually good. That's a good point.

MAX: 15:11
It just makes the others a bit more vanilla. So yeah.

SAM: 15:15
It was like it was almost like their acting and chemistry was too good for an action film.

MAX: 15:21
You you know what I revisited on the same topic, I revisited uh Triple Frontier on Netflix, which I did see at the cinema. TV show. Oh no. Uh Ben Affleck is in the lead. It's these ex-military guys get together to rub Rob. Oh, yes, I to rub a drug dealer? That's a different movie. That was a good dealer. Um and and and literally it's they get together, uh, they go and take the drugs, uh, lots of action, get on a helicopter and fly away.

SAM: 15:54
Yeah, the scenes are great.

MAX: 15:56
So what nowhere near as complex as the spot for tenant, right? Right. But the tension just escalates as they reach every obstacle from not getting the altitude in the helicopter, having to dump money to people getting wounded to the landing in a village of hostiles. It's just the tension kept escalating. It really was engaging, and with all those characters who are great, it lead capable characters, yeah. Uh actors, I should say, playing those characters. It just the tension was just there all the time. Even in the moments where it wasn't bullets weren't flying. Yeah. Like that moment where the helicopter s gets altitude, you know it's a challenge, and you just get glimpses of the sun over the horizon over the ridge. Yeah. And you, and then there's that that that shot back into the cabin of the helicopter, and you can see the orange glow. It's like just teasing them all, like you're just about to make it, guys. But no. Yeah. Um, that is fantastic. So, you know, you've got something that's such simple plot. It's like an old Western, the way it the way it's written. Yeah. You know, that they get the old posse together and rob the bank and off they go. Yeah, it's a good thing. It's a it's a simple story that's been told over and over again, but the way they held the tension and the way it built so completely.

SAM: 17:10
Yeah, you don't have to write something completely new. Sometimes creating something so new it it doesn't mean it doesn't make it a matrix success.

MAX: 17:18
Look at the matrix, complicated. Yeah. Um, but still stands a test of time, and that's hard to say for most sci-fi.

SAM: 17:24
If you just change things, like change on things that already exist, you can sometimes be more successful. There's this three-act structure and all this stuff that has it's an algorithm that's made for success. And if you work around that while still creating this unique story, it's about the story anyway. You create a unique story, you know? Um and I thought Tenet, the idea for it, is awesome. It just I don't know if it was executed as well as it could have been.

MAX: 17:51
Because I think the one the one that it's kind of I think a movie similar to Tenet in terms of sci-fi and the coming backwards and forwards and all that. The uh Edge of Tomorrow.

SAM: 18:02
Oh yeah. Edge of Tomorrow Well, Edge of Tomorrow is a bit of Groundhog Day.

MAX: 18:06
I guess. Yeah, yeah, true. Sci-fi, Groundhog Day. I know. Sci-fi, Groundhog Day. But it's true. Groundhog Day the Musical. Have you seen that? Groundhog Day the Musical.

SAM: 18:20
Based on the film?

MAX: 18:21
Yeah.

SAM: 18:21
What the f I know.

MAX: 18:23
I don't know how successful it was or not. Sure it's better than Spider-Man the Music. I think Tim Minchin wrote uh Groundhog Day the Musical. Anyway. That's so random. It is. There's some random musical that's me.

SAM: 18:35
Goodwill hunting the musical. That could be good.

MAX: 18:40
Stop now. Um so yes. Ten at the musical.

SAM: 18:44
What else? Ten at the musical. That'd be even more confusing because you wouldn't be just talking about what's going on. You'd be singing.

SAM: 18:50
Bad, bad, bad. Um you'd have to sing in reverse. So bad.

MAX: 00:12
Welcome back to Two Unemployed Actors. I'm Max. I'm Sam. Uh big show today. We've been busy. Um I have I've I've been really busy and I've it's been good because it's been busier on the acting side, which is what I want.

SAM: 00:25
Yes.

MAX: 00:26
But I'm like, you know you're busy when it's a Thursday afternoon as we're recording this and I'm lying on the couch just zoning out. And I'm zoning out to Parliament question time. And a little bit of candy crush. So you know you're tired when when you're zoning out to politicians. Yes. Um and you actually listen to Parliament question time to relax. Anyway, enough about me. It's a bit weird. Make sense. I've I've had um so sorry this this week I've had Sunday was uh the short film Flood and Fire that was put off for the fire and the pandemic finally happened. Uh Tuesday uh social media advertising for RSVP, a dating site. And then Wednesday a dating site? Yeah, that's RSVP, they're a dating site, as opposed to like a dating app.

SAM: 01:19
Oh, but I I heard it's all right.

MAX: 01:21
Welcome back, Sandy.

SAM: 01:22
For some reason I heard RSPCA.

MAX: 01:24
RSPCA. Well you could date animals, but you know, it's for life, it's not just for Christmas or first date. And anyway, yesterday was a cleaning company, um, such a low-budget television commercial, any more lower, and I would have been filming it myself. And then today, voiceovers for the wine company, which is fantastic because I just got an email back going, um I'll listen to the download of the files, I'll listen to them next week and already pay the invoice. I'm like, oh, can all of my clients be like this?

SAM: 01:54
Yeah.

MAX: 01:55
Anyway, um, so Sunday was great. I really enjoyed stepping back into a character in front of a camera because there's been a whole lot of reading off teleprompters for corporates and dry copy. Um, really good. It was a nice little rural little spot about an hour from town, and uh a little country cottage, and it had that country cottage feel. Me playing an alcoholic father. Um again, this is my second alcoholic father. Yeah, toadcast. Uh any excuse for a drink, and Jesus, I joke about it, and so anyway, um, and then uh it was really good. It took like half a day to get the scene down. Um so a bit of blocking and that, but uh but look, it went, it went quite well. Good crew, big crew, like 15, and uh it was great to see uh the director Jack Allen Keach, who we've interviewed here with their partnership, Jack and Jacob. Um actually having you know, yeah, he's running a full crew, full, full short film set. That's good. Yeah, it is, it is. Uh it was great to say I said to that, it's great to see I I remarked him, it's great to see him in charge of a slick operation. Uh, because I think it was only not that long ago we were doing the interview, which was our first short film that I worked with him on. Reasonably in long time. And there was like about half a dozen of us on set.

SAM: 03:17
It was at your old place. Yeah, that interview.

MAX: 03:20
It was a year ago.

SAM: 03:22
Have you been here for a year?

MAX: 03:24
Feels like it. Since August. So, yes, possibly a year ago. Oh my god. But um, but no, when we actually did the short film, the interview uh it was only six crew, including two actors. Three actors. Hey, Fred. So he's definitely heading the right direction. I think every project is just getting bigger and bigger. Yeah, and um, it's great for his experience, great for me too. Uh and it's great when you work with someone before you just know that's a great story. Uh you just know how they work, it's like it's really cool. Um, and the way he relates to actors is really nice. It's just it it it's um it would just it sort of flowed quite well. I was quite happy. I was had no issues getting into the character um and getting into the moment. Um, I like it was just a really nice set. Perfect. It's good, good, they're few and far between, so you can leverage them, especially with my recent experiences. Oh, yeah, I love those shoots. I was telling makeup on RSVP shoot Tuesday, which was just around the corner here, like eight-minute Vesper ride and uh about that amazing, horrible shoe. Um, and she the character building one. She said, Oh my god, like I have never in my experience heard of anything like that happening on any set, let alone all of it happening in the ones set to you. I'm like, Yep.

SAM: 04:38
Is that the was that the like memorize this script and then memorize this in less than 30 minutes?

MAX: 04:43
Oh actually, we have a teleprompter. Oh, um, let me just snatch the phone from you for no reason. And what the what? Random. So um lots of good experiences since then, fortunately, helps me really even like yesterday, where it's tiny budget, it's like a three-month television, it's television commercial going to air for three months on a cleaning product, no speaking whatsoever, low, low budget. I I normally don't do this, but anyway, they reached out specifically asking for me, so I'm like, yeah, okay. And too small for the agent, even like and it was less than like the RSVP, which is ads for three months on social media only. Um, so but uh but look, they were really nice, like, and it was a drive, it was like an hour and a half to get there. We're talking rural, not regional. And and he was a bit cheeky in his response when I said, here's the fee, it'll be X amount this way and X amount back each way. Because I did say, look, you know, for traveling because it's an hour and a half. Oh, I thought you were in Sydney. Um, it's only 65 minutes from the CBD, and I'm like, don't be cheeky, man. I replied and went, actually, it's an hour and a half each way, so it's three hours of travel for me. So it's what what I'm implying is what I've committed to for a lot less uh very generous half day rate and not really much usage is is is turning into a full day. Yeah, because it's like I'm leaving at 8 a.m. and I'm not getting back till four. I'm pretty much not gonna book anything else that day. Yeah um, you know, so do a few voiceover editions at night, that's it. Yeah, so you're you know, you you're doing alright. So anyway, but he was fine. He came, he did agree to the travel fee. If you don't ask, you don't get right? Yeah, it certainly made me feel better um driving for three hours, knowing that I'm being paid for that, um, which is great, and all the tolls in between. Yeah, awesome. Um, so yeah, so it went really well. So it was a nice shoot, they're really nice. Um uh everyone was perfect. Uh the client was there, they just got ranging of this product in in Kohl's. Um, it's already in Woolworths, and I I I I fought myself, fought really hard trying not to go back to corporate max because that was my job to get ranging and negotiate with those terrorists. Oh yeah. So uh more character building. Uh so I was finding it hard to stay out of that lane. It's like, no, no, no, don't. It's like oh, and I I did a little bit, okay. Do they want half prices as well as you know, television commercial to get things arranged? Yeah, but we're part funding the half price. I'm like, oh, just I've got this, like I know what to do to avoid all of your profit moving from one PL to theirs. But anyway, I'm I'm look, I'm falling into that lane now.

SAM: 07:18
I know. You have to just half the screen.

MAX: 07:20
If I start talking about it, it's just smack me.

SAM: 07:21
To be honest, I had no idea what you're saying from eight minutes ago.

MAX: 07:24
Look, I've worked with lots of people over 20 years who don't even know what they're saying, and they were put in front of customers.

SAM: 07:29
So you're saying I could get a job?

MAX: 07:30
You probably could. You could have been my boss at Kellogg's.

SAM: 07:34
Oh, that's it.

MAX: 07:35
I swear if that guy was told to clap, he'd miss his hands. So yeah, it's been busy. So and then today was just getting all the wine, which which I have to say, the copy was written to be read a lot more than like, say, the dualux one, which is written by scientists for scientists to learn how to test consistently. Right, okay. So one would be a lot more interesting to read for an actor than the other. The wine one. And learning about wine, that's kind of more in my lane. I don't mind some alcohol, yeah. It was great.

SAM: 08:06
Sound like an alcoholic.

MAX: 08:08
Which is okay. I've played an alcoholic this week. I'm doing voiceovers for a wine company. There's a theme here. Method. Yeah. Yeah. I don't I don't actually get paid in dollars, I get paid in wine. Um, that's not true. Especially when I'm traveling.

SAM: 08:21
You get paid in one hour traveling, yeah.

MAX: 08:23
For three hours, my travel fee's a bottle of wine on the way back. Oh my god, you won't get home. Not only that, there's so many more questions and answers. But anyway, moving on. How was your week, Sam? Quick. My week, my week. Um what have you yeah, what have you been up to? Oh, wait. Your news.

SAM: 08:39
Oh what, the non-acting news?

MAX: 08:41
You're moving.

SAM: 08:42
I'm yeah, yeah. Jess and I got a place. Congratulations. Yeah, it's it's surreal still. Like, we move in on Tuesday. Uh my address is I get I get the feeling.

MAX: 08:54
I get the feeling between two actors living together in a relationship. Oh no, our two listeners are gonna come steal from us. Oh, both of them. But I think the I think the th what's gonna be interesting, both of you guys living together as actors in a relationship, you you'll find there's gonna be a self-tape wall that'll be like a party plan on yet.

SAM: 09:14
So we got we so we've got a two-bedroom place, and we're like the next second bedroom will be like music room, office kind of space. We'll have the blue screen set up constantly with a tripod in front of it. Like we're gonna have a self-tape.

MAX: 09:25
That's so cool.

SAM: 09:26
We just need like a light like this, like yes, like a ring light.

MAX: 09:31
I recommend these uh new Newman lights. Let me just have a look. I recommend I recommend these newer NEEWER. Where from? Uh eBay. Um I bought these two lights with light stands, batteries, and a battery recharger for like 150 or something.

SAM: 09:55
Both of them together for everything as one pack. Oh wow.

MAX: 09:58
Okay, so and and having two lights that you can adjust to be warmer or colder, yeah, uh brighter or or or not as bright. Um Dimmer is the word you want to. I'm such a technical light light guy. Right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Uh but being able to do all that is great because no matter what time of the day or night it is or what conditions you're filming in, you'll be able to have a consistent, well-lit.

SAM: 10:24
Yeah, we've been having some fun experiences where we start in the afternoon and just progressively the same self tape gets darker and darker.

MAX: 10:31
I know. It's it look, it's really cool. And and like you guys all have, I might I'll just keep mine set up all the time. Now I don't I don't I've given I've said to myself I don't need a dining room.

SAM: 10:39
Exactly. And we'll have the space for that as well. We'll have the space to do that. So yeah, that's very exciting.

MAX: 10:44
And you'll have a reader on tap.

SAM: 10:46
Reader on tap.

MAX: 10:47
Yeah, whereas I have to get Fred to read or even zoom someone in to read. Yeah. Because if the if you need to read it, you have to have a reader.

SAM: 10:54
I once was so desperate and Jess was at work that I recorded my own voice and left breaks for my.

MAX: 11:01
Did you do did you do a funny voice, like a different one?

SAM: 11:03
This is the same one. It sounded really weird, but from afar it kind of worked. Anyway, I didn't send that one. Didn't you? I just waited until Jess came home because I was like, this is shit. Practice. Anyway. Uh yeah, so so that's super exciting. Um also Cooked is kind of getting going further and further. We're being in the news more. I think uh Cam, the director, is being interviewed. The uh website is up. I saw that. The film cook filmcooked.com.

MAX: 11:31
The filmcooked.com. Brilliant.

SAM: 11:33
Uh you can buy some memorabilia, which I helped colour. Cooked memorabilia.

MAX: 11:37
It's hot.

SAM: 11:38
It's very hot. Did you get it? Because it's cooked, yeah. It's very hot though. We understood it, it just wasn't funny. Get it while it's hot. Get it while yeah, so just that. Uh I mean I'm I'm yet to I need to send more self-tapes to my agent.

MAX: 11:51
Okay. Oh, that's right. Yeah, you're under pressure. He told you. Under pressure. He did say you should send some. Yes. Yeah.

SAM: 11:57
Yes, and that that will occur, especially when we have the blue screen just permanently set up as well. Of course. Actually, by the podcast, we'll be free moving in.

MAX: 12:09
You're out of excuses. You'll actually be there with a wall for the self-type wall. Exactly. Out of excuses. Out of excuses, but other than have to deliver.

SAM: 12:16
Other than that, just working. Um I got two more interests from my headshot business. Sorry. Oh, you fucked. Um that's good. So that's good. Yeah. Um, if that kicks off, that'll be great as well. Uh so yeah, just working and and figuring stuff out slowly. Acting, to be honest, has been like left a little bit just because of the new job and stuff, and just I got a new car and all that stuff.

MAX: 12:41
Yeah, new car, new job, new house, new everything. You it would be great when you settle down, you're back in the vibe living with scripts and stuff.

SAM: 12:48
100%, and the self-tape wall will help pre-set up, just head home in the line.

MAX: 12:53
And you and Jess just building off each other, just you know, more and more stuff. It's great.

SAM: 12:57
But other than that, like just chilling. Good. Just chilling and watching stuff. Okay. Uh watched Tenet the other day, and I'm late to the party. Um I didn't like it. You're right. Yeah. The dialogue was way too quiet. It's just a and I was confused from five minutes in.

MAX: 13:14
I got it, and I even got that, oh, that's gonna be them when they went through that fight scene the first time.

SAM: 13:20
The shitty thing is on a multi million but on a multi-million dollar film we found ourselves turning the volume up and down. That's funny, so as you said. Yeah, yeah. You said that something like that.

MAX: 13:32
Because I mean, I mean, uh it's b it's bad enough for the side. It's just that like the special effects were so OTT in terms of sound that it even made it even more apparent when um it was hard to hear dialogue at in places.

SAM: 13:46
It was just like the background music was too loud when they were talking, or then uh the action when they weren't talking was louder than the way louder than the dialogue, so then you had to turn it down again and then turn it up to hear the dialogue. You know, it was a bit weird, and I love Christopher Nolan, so it was a bit unfortunate.

MAX: 14:04
I think if it had been half as long, um, and they'd really worked hard at what should stay in to make the story coherent, I think that would have been.

SAM: 14:12
I actually started to wrap my head around it near the end, though. When when I saw the machine that actually like did the shit.

MAX: 14:17
Well, you're still awake at the end. That's that's a plus then.

SAM: 14:19
Also, what's his name? Yeah, yeah. What's the guy's name? The the guy who plays the antagonist.

MAX: 14:25
Um really uh uh yes, British actors.

SAM: 14:28
He's a British actor, and his accent was amazing because he played a reversion.

MAX: 14:31
Yep, yep, yep, yep. Um I yes.

SAM: 14:34
Got his name, but his accent was really good. Correct.

MAX: 14:36
How good's Elizabeth DeBicke?

SAM: 14:38
The the wife. Yeah, she was great.

MAX: 14:40
When they were in scenes together, those two, yeah, great. That was a good scene. Whenever calm down, whenever they were in a scene together, the energy was great, but every other scene just you know, it just made the other scenes even more blah blah.

SAM: 14:53
Yeah, it was a bit of a weird one.

MAX: 14:55
Um like when those two are going for it, there was drama, there was tension.

SAM: 14:58
Yeah.

MAX1: 14:59
Yeah, like on the boat when they're having that conversation, like you could it was you like that.

SAM: 15:07
That was a good scene. Uh yeah, they were good. That was actually good. That's a good point.

MAX: 15:11
It just makes the others a bit more vanilla. So yeah.

SAM: 15:15
It was like it was almost like their acting and chemistry was too good for an action film.

MAX: 15:21
You you know what I revisited on the same topic, I revisited uh Triple Frontier on Netflix, which I did see at the cinema. TV show. Oh no. Uh Ben Affleck is in the lead. It's these ex-military guys get together to rub Rob. Oh, yes, I to rub a drug dealer? That's a different movie. That was a good dealer. Um and and and literally it's they get together, uh, they go and take the drugs, uh, lots of action, get on a helicopter and fly away.

SAM: 15:54
Yeah, the scenes are great.

MAX: 15:56
So what nowhere near as complex as the spot for tenant, right? Right. But the tension just escalates as they reach every obstacle from not getting the altitude in the helicopter, having to dump money to people getting wounded to the landing in a village of hostiles. It's just the tension kept escalating. It really was engaging, and with all those characters who are great, it lead capable characters, yeah. Uh actors, I should say, playing those characters. It just the tension was just there all the time. Even in the moments where it wasn't bullets weren't flying. Yeah. Like that moment where the helicopter s gets altitude, you know it's a challenge, and you just get glimpses of the sun over the horizon over the ridge. Yeah. And you, and then there's that that that shot back into the cabin of the helicopter, and you can see the orange glow. It's like just teasing them all, like you're just about to make it, guys. But no. Yeah. Um, that is fantastic. So, you know, you've got something that's such simple plot. It's like an old Western, the way it the way it's written. Yeah. You know, that they get the old posse together and rob the bank and off they go. Yeah, it's a good thing. It's a it's a simple story that's been told over and over again, but the way they held the tension and the way it built so completely.

SAM: 17:10
Yeah, you don't have to write something completely new. Sometimes creating something so new it it doesn't mean it doesn't make it a matrix success.

MAX: 17:18
Look at the matrix, complicated. Yeah. Um, but still stands a test of time, and that's hard to say for most sci-fi.

SAM: 17:24
If you just change things, like change on things that already exist, you can sometimes be more successful. There's this three-act structure and all this stuff that has it's an algorithm that's made for success. And if you work around that while still creating this unique story, it's about the story anyway. You create a unique story, you know? Um and I thought Tenet, the idea for it, is awesome. It just I don't know if it was executed as well as it could have been.

MAX: 17:51
Because I think the one the one that it's kind of I think a movie similar to Tenet in terms of sci-fi and the coming backwards and forwards and all that. The uh Edge of Tomorrow.

SAM: 18:02
Oh yeah. Edge of Tomorrow Well, Edge of Tomorrow is a bit of Groundhog Day.

MAX: 18:06
I guess. Yeah, yeah, true. Sci-fi, Groundhog Day. I know. Sci-fi, Groundhog Day. But it's true. Groundhog Day the Musical. Have you seen that? Groundhog Day the Musical.

SAM: 18:20
Based on the film?

MAX: 18:21
Yeah.

SAM: 18:21
What the f I know.

MAX: 18:23
I don't know how successful it was or not. Sure it's better than Spider-Man the Music. I think Tim Minchin wrote uh Groundhog Day the Musical. Anyway. That's so random. It is. There's some random musical that's me.

SAM: 18:35
Goodwill hunting the musical. That could be good.

MAX: 18:40
Stop now. Um so yes. Ten at the musical.

SAM: 18:44
What else? Ten at the musical. That'd be even more confusing because you wouldn't be just talking about what's going on. You'd be singing.

SAM: 18:50
Bad, bad, bad. Um you'd have to sing in reverse. So bad.

MAX: 19:01
COVID's picking up again in Sydney, and we had a there was an MEA M E A A, like a union event. Uh actors get together, um, booked in for Monday. To discuss what to do. So, no, um, just it was an actors get together talking about well, opportunity for us to connect because normally, you know, it's very difficult for us anyway. Yeah. And also uh to hear about um hear from a psychologist about um being health, staying healthy, um, and also financial security. So financial planner talking about how to live really as an artist. Yeah, um, when it's gig to gig. Uh it was for Monday morning, and um unfortunately has to be pushed back because of the COVID. Actually, I think it's on Zoom, so it's still going ahead. Um, and then Tuesday I was booked in to do a role play. This is really interesting, this roleplay, because it was push it's still going, I'm still in it, it's just pushed back a month. Uh the same with Wednesday. Um, but um Tuesday, this is really funny because they got me to audition it's a corporate roleplay to educate people on you know the blurry line between what's okay to say and what's not okay. And generally the rule is in corporate. If you don't, if you're not sure, don't say it. Yeah. Um but effectively they gave me two scripts one to be this racist joker in the office, and then um try and uh then a short script on trying to get myself out of that hole that I've just dug for myself. So it's like me in the lunchroom going, yeah, yeah, and then this guy did blah blah and then he set himself on fire and it was hilarious. Whoa. And then the next scene was, Well, I didn't think it was inappropriate. I I I I didn't think everyone laughed, yeah. You know, so it's that kind of thing. Anyway, I got this note back. Congrats, congrats, you got the job. It's great, Max. Um, client loved it. Um, they were worried that you might be too racist to do the apology scene, but I assured them it was just good acting with a smiley face. So thank you. Holy hell. They've gotten there I am being the Joker with this racist uh comment as though I'm telling the end of a joke and laughing, rah rah, rah. And uh I actually recorded that three times trying to get the right vibe going before I locked it away for the fourth, but um I found that a bit more challenging than the explainer. But anyway, uh, all that aside, um the client was so hooked on me being this racist joker that it's like that was hard for the you know, they've seen you like that. Yeah, it's hard to visualize you being the I'm so sorry, I acknowledge I've I've done the wrong thing, I should have done that. I'm you know, which was the script they didn't get me to do because the two scripts were the most challenging. It's kind of bittersweet. Yeah, so I'm laughing, going, Oh my god, I thought it was too racist. I love how he was open with that feedback from the so funny. Oh, don't know, we can't joke about that. So I'm like, I'm like, that is amazing to to be. Sharing to be sharing um client feedback like that was hilarious. I just myself around it. Did you make up the joke? No, no. It's a script. It's scripted. So because they've just because the script, the first yeah, because the first script was um telling the end of a racist joke in a lunchroom, and then the next script was explaining away to the boss. And then the third script that she didn't share was you being so apologetic and sorry for her. Yeah. So the first script they saw was me telling this racist joke and laughing and being an asshole. And God knows I've worked with so many over my 20-year corporate career. It was very easy to do, just getting the right laugh. And then um and then the explain scene. So they've gone and literally seen me tell this racist joke and enjoying myself too much, and gone, oh, I don't know if he can he do the apology. It's pretty good, though. That's hilarious. It is great feedback. I know, and I love that. Well, then they should have just sentenced agency knew that to tell me the director.

SAM: 22:55
They should have just seen if you could, like that's the point of acting.

MAX: 22:58
Well, the thing is they don't have the time, so they've just gone audition and get me the right actors for the role, and then he's come back with my me as recommendation, and they've seen the two scenes that were presented, um, and gone. They don't have time to give you the foot. Great, but can he do can he do the apologies to Race? And the guy's gone, he's good, he's a good actor, he can do that. I'm trust me, sort of thing. So it's like, yeah, done. Um no. But as opposed to someone put it a bit out, as a as opposed to me having to go back, do another self-tape, and then send it send it back in. Yeah, not much time. Yeah. So that's worked well, but look, I mean, so it's locked in, it's just pushed back because of COVID, which is which is fine. Cool. Importantly, projects are still moving forward, like the big ones like um television series and films and that. Yeah. Obviously with more restrictions. Yeah. Back to yeah. But we're just so used to operating in a COVID world. Um, it's just making sure we we're really dotting the I's and crossing the T's.

SAM: 23:59
Exactly.

MAX: 24:00
Um, at least I'm fully vaccinated. I had the the one, the casting director for Wednesday said, Oh, we have to push back because of COVID, blah blah. So yeah, no, it's and like what suburb do you live in? The client wants to know. I told them, I said, I'll and tell them I'm fully vaccinated as well. If that helps, because they're like, Will you be willing to get a COVID test? And I'm like, Yeah, it's fine, like whatever.

SAM: 24:19
Do you still need to get tests even if you're I mean, that's a this maybe a stupid thing. No idea vaccinated.

MAX: 24:24
But I think legally it's it's a grey area in terms of can the client ask the casting director to ask the question of are you vaccinated or not? Because getting vaccinated isn't compulsory, yeah, it's not legally mandated. Yeah, so is it a form of discrimination if you're asking the question? You're presuming that if they say no, you don't want to hire them, you know what I mean? So it's more like we want people to be COVID-free and abide by the regulations.

SAM: 24:53
I'd consider it similar to like say you were doing a scene on a really, really like the set was a really, really old, rusty boat. Yeah. And it's like, have you got your tennis shot? If you don't, yeah, sorry, can you get it or we won't cast you? I don't know if that's discrimination or just like it's a safety precaution. Same thing. Like, you know, it's just the the situation.

MAX: 25:12
I I do know I was certainly happy to volunteer that. It's like to give them some peace of mind. Um, and because they were still only 90% there, they still got another 10% to make a decision on whether it was me or not. I'll find out this afternoon. Um, but Wednesday's been pushed back another month. So at least look, I've got a couple jobs lined up, which is great. Good idea. Um, it's just moved backwards and voiceovers are kicking on. Uh, if anything, that'll probably spike next week if we go into further lockdowns. The rumour is if we get lots of more positive tests today, we might end up Sydney being in lockdown.

SAM: 25:43
But I just got a new plane.

MAX: 25:46
Well, at least you could well you can move. Like even with the last lockdown, people were still able to move out of home and that because people were in financial issue, financial stress. Because suddenly break the lease. No, no, I mean to move into your place.

SAM: 25:57
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I need to be able to pay rent.

MAX: 25:59
Oh, yeah. There is that, yes.

SAM: 26:01
No, but we have spoken to them about it and just about change you change.

MAX: 26:04
I think there's a there's a lot of there's a lot of sympathy for COVID heart changes.

SAM: 26:10
I was very lucky. I I spoke to my current job at St. Mark's and they he said that even during the worst of COVID last year, they were still open doing takeaways. So it's quite waiting to lose my job. That's good, isn't it?

MAX: 26:20
Yeah, that's good. Well, touch wood, hopefully we're we'll we'll be able to weather it again. You'll be listening to two unemployed actors. I'm Max. I'm Sam. And you'll hear us next week. Bye.

SAM: 26:31
See ya two unemployed actors.

MAX: 19:01
COVID's picking up again in Sydney, and we had a there was an MEA M E A A, like a union event. Uh actors get together, um, booked in for Monday. To discuss what to do. So, no, um, just it was an actors get together talking about well, opportunity for us to connect because normally, you know, it's very difficult for us anyway. Yeah. And also uh to hear about um hear from a psychologist about um being health, staying healthy, um, and also financial security. So financial planner talking about how to live really as an artist. Yeah, um, when it's gig to gig. Uh it was for Monday morning, and um unfortunately has to be pushed back because of the COVID. Actually, I think it's on Zoom, so it's still going ahead. Um, and then Tuesday I was booked in to do a role play. This is really interesting, this roleplay, because it was push it's still going, I'm still in it, it's just pushed back a month. Uh the same with Wednesday. Um, but um Tuesday, this is really funny because they got me to audition it's a corporate roleplay to educate people on you know the blurry line between what's okay to say and what's not okay. And generally the rule is in corporate. If you don't, if you're not sure, don't say it. Yeah. Um but effectively they gave me two scripts one to be this racist joker in the office, and then um try and uh then a short script on trying to get myself out of that hole that I've just dug for myself. So it's like me in the lunchroom going, yeah, yeah, and then this guy did blah blah and then he set himself on fire and it was hilarious. Whoa. And then the next scene was, Well, I didn't think it was inappropriate. I I I I didn't think everyone laughed, yeah. You know, so it's that kind of thing. Anyway, I got this note back. Congrats, congrats, you got the job. It's great, Max. Um, client loved it. Um, they were worried that you might be too racist to do the apology scene, but I assured them it was just good acting with a smiley face. So thank you. Holy hell. They've gotten there I am being the Joker with this racist uh comment as though I'm telling the end of a joke and laughing, rah rah, rah. And uh I actually recorded that three times trying to get the right vibe going before I locked it away for the fourth, but um I found that a bit more challenging than the explainer. But anyway, uh, all that aside, um the client was so hooked on me being this racist joker that it's like that was hard for the you know, they've seen you like that. Yeah, it's hard to visualize you being the I'm so sorry, I acknowledge I've I've done the wrong thing, I should have done that. I'm you know, which was the script they didn't get me to do because the two scripts were the most challenging. It's kind of bittersweet. Yeah, so I'm laughing, going, Oh my god, I thought it was too racist. I love how he was open with that feedback from the so funny. Oh, don't know, we can't joke about that. So I'm like, I'm like, that is amazing to to be. Sharing to be sharing um client feedback like that was hilarious. I just myself around it. Did you make up the joke? No, no. It's a script. It's scripted. So because they've just because the script, the first yeah, because the first script was um telling the end of a racist joke in a lunchroom, and then the next script was explaining away to the boss. And then the third script that she didn't share was you being so apologetic and sorry for her. Yeah. So the first script they saw was me telling this racist joke and laughing and being an asshole. And God knows I've worked with so many over my 20-year corporate career. It was very easy to do, just getting the right laugh. And then um and then the explain scene. So they've gone and literally seen me tell this racist joke and enjoying myself too much, and gone, oh, I don't know if he can he do the apology. It's pretty good, though. That's hilarious. It is great feedback. I know, and I love that. Well, then they should have just sentenced agency knew that to tell me the director.

SAM: 22:55
They should have just seen if you could, like that's the point of acting.

MAX: 22:58
Well, the thing is they don't have the time, so they've just gone audition and get me the right actors for the role, and then he's come back with my me as recommendation, and they've seen the two scenes that were presented, um, and gone. They don't have time to give you the foot. Great, but can he do can he do the apologies to Race? And the guy's gone, he's good, he's a good actor, he can do that. I'm trust me, sort of thing. So it's like, yeah, done. Um no. But as opposed to someone put it a bit out, as a as opposed to me having to go back, do another self-tape, and then send it send it back in. Yeah, not much time. Yeah. So that's worked well, but look, I mean, so it's locked in, it's just pushed back because of COVID, which is which is fine. Cool. Importantly, projects are still moving forward, like the big ones like um television series and films and that. Yeah. Obviously with more restrictions. Yeah. Back to yeah. But we're just so used to operating in a COVID world. Um, it's just making sure we we're really dotting the I's and crossing the T's.

SAM: 23:59
Exactly.

MAX: 24:00
Um, at least I'm fully vaccinated. I had the the one, the casting director for Wednesday said, Oh, we have to push back because of COVID, blah blah. So yeah, no, it's and like what suburb do you live in? The client wants to know. I told them, I said, I'll and tell them I'm fully vaccinated as well. If that helps, because they're like, Will you be willing to get a COVID test? And I'm like, Yeah, it's fine, like whatever.

SAM: 24:19
Do you still need to get tests even if you're I mean, that's a this maybe a stupid thing. No idea vaccinated.

MAX: 24:24
But I think legally it's it's a grey area in terms of can the client ask the casting director to ask the question of are you vaccinated or not? Because getting vaccinated isn't compulsory, yeah, it's not legally mandated. Yeah, so is it a form of discrimination if you're asking the question? You're presuming that if they say no, you don't want to hire them, you know what I mean? So it's more like we want people to be COVID-free and abide by the regulations.

SAM: 24:53
I'd consider it similar to like say you were doing a scene on a really, really like the set was a really, really old, rusty boat. Yeah. And it's like, have you got your tennis shot? If you don't, yeah, sorry, can you get it or we won't cast you? I don't know if that's discrimination or just like it's a safety precaution. Same thing. Like, you know, it's just the the situation.

MAX: 25:12
I I do know I was certainly happy to volunteer that. It's like to give them some peace of mind. Um, and because they were still only 90% there, they still got another 10% to make a decision on whether it was me or not. I'll find out this afternoon. Um, but Wednesday's been pushed back another month. So at least look, I've got a couple jobs lined up, which is great. Good idea. Um, it's just moved backwards and voiceovers are kicking on. Uh, if anything, that'll probably spike next week if we go into further lockdowns. The rumour is if we get lots of more positive tests today, we might end up Sydney being in lockdown.

SAM: 25:43
But I just got a new plane.

MAX: 25:46
Well, at least you could well you can move. Like even with the last lockdown, people were still able to move out of home and that because people were in financial issue, financial stress. Because suddenly break the lease. No, no, I mean to move into your place.

SAM: 25:57
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I need to be able to pay rent.

MAX: 25:59
Oh, yeah. There is that, yes.

SAM: 26:01
No, but we have spoken to them about it and just about change you change.

MAX: 26:04
I think there's a there's a lot of there's a lot of sympathy for COVID heart changes.

SAM: 26:10
I was very lucky. I I spoke to my current job at St. Mark's and they he said that even during the worst of COVID last year, they were still open doing takeaways. So it's quite waiting to lose my job. That's good, isn't it?

MAX: 26:20
Yeah, that's good. Well, touch wood, hopefully we're we'll we'll be able to weather it again. You'll be listening to two unemployed actors. I'm Max. I'm Sam. And you'll hear us next week. Bye.